WELP BOOK C. PETER WAGNER THE CHARISMATIC LEVITICAL PATRIARCHY PART 6

PART 6 THE CHARISMATIC LEVITICAL PATRIARCHY

“In their hearts they know they’re right!”

“Mutual submission in the fear of the Lord” Ephesians 5:21 St Paul First Church

WELP BOOK C. PETER WAGNER

(No, this person shall not use C Peter’s Good Name in Vain.)

WELP Spawned Bitter Humor: “We are surrounded by a great crowd of false witnesses”

“The Back Whisperers” “Telegraph, Telegram, Tell a WELP” “Gossip is the Poor Human’s Bread: They love to feast on it”

THE WELP LIST “Western European Levitical Patriarchism”….NEW CHRISTIANS, NEW VISITORS ALERT: It’s not about the people, but the ongoing non Bible fruit when encountering a specific subculture ( noting this in NAR, “elite apostles in the gates of the city, ” Old Boy Shepherding Deep South governing movement, LP in grass roots charismatic AG, CI, WOF and Pentecostal, mostly witch watching, targeting praying against, plus always spying many Queen Jezebels, And “Certain doctrinal types: Of the now Famous Worship/ fine arts but subliminal type cults, also the Boys Club in Pioneering area widely known ministry,”I am for Apollos vs I am for Paul” clandestine, non merry spirit; Again: If you weren’t trained, not your fault, Just acknowledge it, then improve.

Personal Eye Witness, Down in the Grass Roots Local Church Realm

AND THE SOLEMN SR OFFICE… OPENED THE BOOK

He (The Uncertain Diminuitive Chief Apostle) opened a book by C. Peter Wagner, reading aloud a section that claimed certain apostles whom God has “placed over the gates of each city” of every region. He seemed to be implying that he and his close-knit apostolic circle were such gatekeepers—set above the rest, with an authority to spiritually assess and rule. And to monitor every other saint… and to report back to each other!

Suddenly, it made sense why I had always perceived their ministry tone as elite, spiritually privileged, and invasive. They believed they had the right to spiritually survey the inner lives, motives, and even private thoughts of others—especially anyone who wasn’t “submitted” to their network of apostles and prophets (WELP, WELM, etc.).

Coming from a Baptist background, this struck me as deeply immature and even absurd. If they were so curious about me, why not do what Jesus did? Why not come over, relate to me, talk with me face-to-face, and ask about my theology or ministry call?

Time and time again, I encountered this same hierarchical, suspicious spirit—especially within certain white-led charismatic groups—who claimed Holy Spirit discernment, but it felt more like spiritual profiling and voyeurism.

After observing this for 35 years, I finally recognized it:

This is not true prophetic ministry.
It’s charismatic witchcraft—a counterfeit authority masked in “discernment,” but rooted in lust for control and superiority.

Personal Disclaimer & Observations

I want to make this very clear:

I never met C. Peter Wagner personally. I never read the book quoted to me. I had no desire to. The local leader—apostle, prophet, and pastor—quoted it enough for me to understand the mindset he was applying from it.

I do recall seeing C. Peter Wagner once at a conference—he looked dignified, not cultish, dark and foreboding, and fully respectful. And as he has since passed on. I have no desire to accuse him, to rob his legacy and/or dishonor his memory.

But here is where I draw the line:
I do believe that is is very possible, that whomever announced that book from his pulpit,fully believed that “he” was one of this “gifted and called apostolic ” few” (meaning “exclusive” and “at the top in the Spirit realm” and thus “called, entitled and privileged” to know each our ministry, person business.

I do notice, USA wide the big principle of “many” at the local level, where front lines ministry life is hard, and poor, that they often identify with the Top Christian Hugely Famous Person and depend on their every coat tail to promote themselves as “under’ “ordained by” “affiliated with” and/or ” a member of their famous Christian preachers club.:

So I’ve noted this since I was called to surf and Bible study the moves of God since mid 1970s. And it was before this media and during it’s fledgling ministry start and then into the famous Christian Celebrity Mega Ago which is I believe demise of the church and society.

So I have noticed the word of faith ” followers” plus many in the media viewing, seeming as self seeking many in the public, who had taken things out of correct order, or Bible teaching, to make name and a fortune for themselves (and believe they are the next World Wide Famous) (all races)

So my inner comment, upon hearing this apostolic declaration from local tiny church but hard nose believing pulpit was that there was a ‘move” of these style ministers who each assumed that THEY were of the Elect and Gifted to keep watch over God’s servant leaders, and all others.

T’S NOTE….NOT GOOD:

POINT …And to report back on targeted ‘ones” whom they suspected would were “unsubmitted” “not an official church member” ” a Queen Jezebel” and “crazymatic witch” and an “church hopper” “in adultery” and an “subversive underminer” “a false prophet” more..

Hence it made me wise, to take all of these self professing “apostolic, prophet” training moves with a grain of salt, and to address what I believe is true, mixture false and a haughty superior elite views of “Christian gifting, fame taking more priority over Jesus and His welcoming, accepting to all, to His modeling whole counsel, respect and value of women, all races, all incomes and all kinds of normal persons.

I’d never heard of the King, Queen Levitical Patriarchy until I was called to study “the apostolic, prophetic” name brands..which I write about “with respect” but also out of due concern, for it is now “The Christian Elite Charismatic Emotional Drama Patriarchy” and I know my Bible scripture hence I teach Paul, Community, No Bias, No Big I’s and the Old Rugged Cross, and Ephesians 5:21 “mutual submission” which is Holy Bible First church apostolic organic “church” believe that others used his teachings, perhaps out of context, to justify building a hierarchy of elite “seer-kings”—those who claim divine oversight over local Christians without ever walking with us, knowing us, or even speaking to us.

For many of these LP sin spiers, are this person’s nightmare, for I am even and above board and know more than THEY about “pure community” and the purposes for that (Read St Paul Ephesians 4 “a transformed Christian community effects society” (and this where we now LACK” ) Hence I am not “unsubmitted” to God’s whole counsel, like the many of these.

This is not “Christian First Church Bible” to “peer into” people,(discern, divine or prophetic scan) then form a conclusion, by “sight, looks, suspicion, LP usually stereo typeing plus the usually rumor and gossip which bears this fruit:

“God placed us—the elite apostolic gatekeepers—over you all. You are to submit to us without relationship.”

That’s where false teaching begins. Not from the original book, necessarily—but from how others twisted it to create spiritual control, false authority, and unbiblical hierarchy.

I Say This in Humility, Also in Common Sense and Using Logic

1. Would God put one person or one style of ministry over all the rest and not tell anybody but THEM?

2. Would God who knows human fallible, carnal humankind, put ONE person or ONE ministry style group over ALL the rest of US?

Logic says to this me: “NO. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”

3. Does anyone read Apostle Paul except me?

Follow me only as I follow Christ.
“Work out your own salvation with fear and tremble” Philippians 2:12
Paul praised the Berean Jews for picking apart HIS TEACHING..means he was humble and conscious of his frail humanity”

4. The Bible states at least 3 places “Do not your confidence in man, a guide and princes”

Google

Micah 7:5
Psalm 118:8-9

(That is authoritarian NAR Top Down Church Leadership)

I submit to you that this was, is not now…Bible First Church organic, but rather came in through the many years as the cultural influences of the world system God in and occult, evil eye, anti women misogyny from the Maleus Maleficarum “The Hammer of the Witch” (German monk witch inquisition) and the WELP Salem witch trails and deep south Shepherding movement, Old Mountain Hills anti woman superstitions, legalism

Note Please: This is Sister T at diverse Cross Body Unity who is a God SENT messenger “a chief apostle, who is aa off scouring Galatians 1:1-2 servant leader” Also Acts 17:17, like Paul and one who is “submitted to all” in Ephesians 5:21

Hence, I’m not in the apostolic elite. Not going to a celebrity. I’m just a servant leader out here in the grassroots, walking alongside real people, with all different kinds of ministry styles and fruit. I give grace.

I give great grace to those who twisted teaching,perverted the Good News, made a sin spying contest, who have used my Good Name and many other’s (especially the Good God) Name in Vain..REASON..we each err and are human…and because only realize about their own ministry, not God’s whole counsel, we need to honor the good they do, and assess how they may have been taught wrong or mentored poorly, or never had any real love in their lives..

But this is one thing which I cannot ignore :

1. Making it all only about THEIR specific Move and none others**.

**That is WHY I now teach Cross Body Unity Book of Ephesians 4 and all divine relationships..for all of these but also to prepare for the harvest. which is NIGH

2. Their accustomed inbred pedigree WE CENTRIC, pure Colonial “We are the ruling world WASP” which is accomplished but is without deep mirth, Jesus Prophet Joy (Hebrews 1:1-2 +9)

3. These repeatedly “Fail to discern the others in Christ’s body correctly” For apostles, prophets, they are driven Isaiah 5:20 “can’t tell an Elijah style office sr minister sitting in the conference, from a witch or Jezebel!)

4. They refuse to relate which is anti Christ, dangerous, (if they divine you the witch they are looking for but never interview, only accuse, but then put on their witchlist and then pass it all around the area, nation to “THEIR Kind”..it’s spooky. but a terrible evil.

5. Accusers: they accuse multitudes of common folks as “unsubmitted” and rebellious—yet they are fully “unsubmitted” to any private, face face, up front “confrontation plus the following following Ephesians 4, Galatians 6:1, or Matthew 18:15-16.

6 .They never walk in Ephesians 5:21

“Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”

7. They are unsubmitted to “pure relationship’ value” in 1 John 1:7:

“If we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another…and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness” (meaning that it’s conditional if they walk in the light or not)

Bible-Based Commentary: What’s Actually Wrong Here?

Let’s break it down:

1. Using “famous teachings” as a control tool

“Let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we will receive a stricter judgment.” —James 3:1

+++You can honor a teacher’s legacy without twisting their words into a mandate for personal empire building. This isn’t true spiritual oversight—it’s name-dropping to control.

2. Calling others “unsubmitted” without Matthew 18 protocol

“If your brother sins against you, go to him privately…” —Matthew 18:15–16

“Restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness (privately, one to one, meekly)…” —Galatians 6:1

+++Calling people rebellious, witches, or spiritually rogue without ever engaging them face to face in love is not biblical—it’s slander.

3. Refusing peer-to-peer mutual submission (Ephesians 5:21)

JUSTIFIED BIG POINT
Jesus modeled teamwork, humility, and conversation—not secret surveillance or spiritual control towers. If you’re “over” others, but never “among” them, that’s not Jesus—it’s Saul.

4. Twisting spiritual covering into ownership

“You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.” —1 Corinthians 7:23

You are not someone’s spiritual property. Any leader teaching that you must obey them or stay under their “gatekeeping” to be safe is operating outside of Christ’s example.

FINAL WORD: Many Devils at Local Levels

For any murmuring pouting apostle , prophet or pastor , see the cure Psalm 132 : 9 and 16

Please note:

This is not an attack on C. Peter Wagner or those who learned from him in sincerity.

Rather, this is two fold

1. It’s is to make a big point to say how ALL leaders need to advice their PEOPLE not to CLAIM they are “UNDER THEM, ENDORSED BY THEM’ and to urge them to be VERY CAREFUL how they comport themselves as THEY CLAIM, BRAG and BOAST how they are “under the well known YOU”

2. It is to do a better job at training the many people to “SCAN ” the First time, repeat conference , local visitors, fellow ministries..But it is a caution to every Christian:

3. The Significant Training Point
We ought to far off maturely “assess and evaluate ‘ them and they ought to assess you and I, via the Abiding Relationship Fruit of James :17 “The Wisdom Coming From Above is: “

pure,

peaceable,

easily entreated,

full of mercy

and good fruit (fruit of the spirit Apostle Paul Galatians 5:22-23 “His love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, meekness and self control”

without partiality

without hypocrisy

Head Top Leaders, Perspective Ministry Fellowship, Church Members:

Don’t give away your spiritual liberty to leaders who never knew you.

And who refuse to settle for any unkind bunch who only ‘respect and value” persons just like them SELVES

Know thy Bible

Example: It’s the 2025 the we’ live the increasingly Perilous Times…See Apostle Paul “freedom to flee from” basic Scriptures.

Don’t just swallow ANYBODY’S KOOL AIDE, especially false, controlling, demonic, biased, accusing, abusive, witchcraft born again authority (Psalm 144:7-11 Beware the strange skilled children)

Don’t be controlled by someone else’s twisted interpretation of “apostolic order.”

Instead, walk in:

Mutual respect mutual submission in the fear of the Lord (Eph. 5:21)

Biblical accountability (Matt. 18, Gal. 6:1)

Personal relationship with Christ (John 10:27)

“Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.” —2 Corinthians 3:17