ROOTS: #1 TURF GUARDING A CHURCH/THE CHURCH: THE FATHER’S HEART IN CHURCH OR PRIVATE MINISTRY TURF?

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# 1 of 3 ROOTS OF LEADERSHIP TURF GUARDING:

A CHURCH/THE CHURCH:

THE HEART OF THE FATHER? HIS SON CHRIST?

OR SOME HUMAN PERSON’S MINISTRY TURF?

“To know the love of Christ which passes knowledge, and be filled with the fullness of God”

Apostle Paul Ephesians 3:19

“By their fruits you will know, recognize them”

Addressing, Evaluating “Whose CHURCH is it ANYWAY?

This is the part of 1 of 3 part ‘Truth” series

“Turf Protecting” vs Greater Community Ephesians 4

Taveau asks Chat GPT AI:

How a Pastor or Minister Can Authentically Represent Christ?

“They who erred in spirit, shall come to understanding,

those who murmured shall learn doctrine” Nation of Isaiah 29:24

Chat GPT AI responds:

A true pastor, preacher, or minister can present themselves as authentically representing the multicultural, respectful Messiah, Jesus Christ by:

Exemplifying Equality and Impartiality:
As demonstrated in the verses above, leaders should refrain from showing favoritism and should view all people as equally valuable in the eyes of God. A pastor should treat everyone with respect, regardless of race, background, social status, or gender, reflecting God’s love for all people.
Reflecting the Heart of Jesus:
Jesus, during His earthly ministry, reached out to marginalized and oppressed people (e.g., the Samaritan woman, the tax collectors, lepers, and others), showing no partiality. A pastor who follows Christ should be welcoming, compassionate, and respectful toward people from all walks of life, including those society might deem as “lesser.”
Cultivating a Culture of Love and Unity:
As seen in John 13:34-35, love is the distinguishing mark of a disciple of Christ. A pastor should promote unity, treating people with dignity, regardless of their circumstances. A church should be a safe, inclusive community where differences are celebrated and everyone is welcomed as they are.
Removing Prejudices and Bias:
A true pastor cannot afford to dismiss or marginalize anyone based on personal prejudices or superficial judgments. They must actively challenge and work through biases, ensuring they treat all people with love, honor, and fairness. This is essential for authentically representing Christ, who loved and valued all people, including the poor, the sick, the outcast, and those from different cultures and backgrounds.
Creating Opportunities for All to Serve and Be Served:
Leaders should ensure that everyone in the congregation, regardless of their status or identity, has an opportunity to contribute to the ministry and be served by the community. This embodies the servant leadership Jesus exemplified, where the leader serves others without exalting themselves or making distinctions.
Leading with Humility:
A pastor must model humility, recognizing that they are simply a servant of Christ, not someone with superiority over others. The greatest leaders in God’s Kingdom are those who serve with selflessness, not those who lord it over others (Matthew 23:11-12).

In conclusion, a pastor or minister should align themselves with the heart of Christ, who demonstrated love, equality, and respect for all people. By treating every individual with fairness, being free from bias or prejudice, and promoting unity in diversity, a leader can authentically represent the multicultural and inclusive nature of the Body of Christ.

Taveau says
Please discuss “how” a leader effects what many attending persons feel as “the heart of the Creator Father, his Son: True Christ” as in the “heart in a SAFE church?

Chat replies
How Leadership Shapes the Heart of the Church

False religious control—through authoritarianism, legalism, character assassination, oppression, and excessive financial emphasis—deeply impacts the spiritual atmosphere of a church. The character and fruit of leadership at the highest levels (apostle, overseer, pastor) directly shape the heart of the church, the people’s view of Jesus, and whether the church feels like a family or an ownership-based, cult-like system.

In the First Church, leaders served as spiritual fathers and mothers, guiding the people in love rather than ruling with a heavy hand. The apostle Paul described this as “being accepted in the Beloved” (Ephesians 1:6), a community where all were valued regardless of background, race, or gender. This contrasts with many modern churches where leadership structures have become hierarchical, performance-driven, and controlling rather than Spirit-led and organic.

How False Leadership Affects the Church

The Heart of the Church – The tone of leadership determines whether a church is filled with the presence of God or becomes spiritually dry. A culture of control replaces freedom with fear.
People’s View of Jesus – A church led by fear, legalism, or financial manipulation distorts the image of Christ. Instead of seeing Jesus as a loving, merciful Savior, people may begin to associate Him with judgment, demands, and religious oppression.

Religious Tradition vs. Spiritual Family – The First Church was a community, not a rigid system. Over time, many churches have shifted from organic fellowship to institutional control, losing the personal, relational aspect of the faith

Taveau addresses NATURAL ORGANIC VS SYNTHETIC IN FELLOWSHIPS

TCL Ministries defines “Bible, First Church, Holy Spirit “purely organic as “without any human synthetic additives” but course, nobody living in fallen world will every match that 250% perfectly, in life, ministry, theology or human, as we all fallen..other than redeemed, sanctified instructed well and empower to ‘resist.”

Frankly, ever since the Genesis Garden Fall, albeit the long history, ONLY Messiah, Jesus Christ Himself “never once fell short” ONLY He was truly perfect in all of those real life realm/ ministry areas.

However we can do OUR BEST and realize about WHY HE (Jesus, Messiah ) originally CAME (not excluding Eternal Salvation) and far more about born again believers more “authority” in Christ and HE overcame HIM (the accuser, deceiver, liar adversary, more…for the believers around the world…but we are keeping that back from the common real life population ,Revelation 12:7-11 gives a small peek into the purpose of Christ, that was forfeited back in that first Garden but with HIS LIFE and DEATH and VICTORIOUS resurrection, The Sent One Messiah the power back …redeems us from Genesis Garden curse. over our own lips, lives, action and bought back the Enemy, Accuser Adversary had stolen IF we are trained like that.

SCRIPTURE ASIDE
Scriptures to Google, contemplate and ask Sr office Ministers WHY THESE ARE NOT TAUGHT?

1 John 3:8 (KJV)
“…..For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.“

1 Corinthians 1:24 (KJV)
“But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”

Luke 4:18-19 (KJV)
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”

John 10:10 (KJV)
“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”

Matthew 20:28 (KJV)
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

Hebrews 2:14 (KJV)
” that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.“

John 12:46 (KJV)
“I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.“

Yes, Revelation 12:11 (KJV) fits within the theme of overcoming the works of the devil because it describes how believers gain victory over Satan:

Revelation 12:11 (KJV)
“And they overcame him (most teachers leave this important key OUT) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”

How It Fits:

“They overcame him**” — Refers to victory over Satan and his works. “HIM” as the fallen devil Lucifer now descended on the earth as the ***Accuser, Liar, Deceiver, Adversary, more
“By the blood of the Lamb” — Jesus’ sacrificial death destroyed the power of sin and the devil (aligns with 1 John 3:8 and Hebrews 2:14).
“By the word of their testimony” — Demonstrates the power of speaking and living out faith in Christ, aligning with John 10:10, where Jesus brings abundant life.
“They loved not their lives unto the death” — Reflects the sacrificial nature of true discipleship, similar to Matthew 20:28, where Jesus gave His life as a ransom.

This verse reinforces the power of Christ’s victory over the devil and the role of believers in standing firm in faith.

NOW BACK ON TRACK REGARDING “AUTHENTIC ” “ORGANIC “MINISTRY

Sister T asks Chat GPT to discuss ‘a Church being more ministry “seeming organic” (back to First Church Bible, role models) more than “human structured, man invented, implying the modern day words it has “human synthetic (often Phariseeic) additives”.(maybe values,religious requirements, more governing rules, to control, false teaching, false practices “More a FORM versus a genuine Church”

Chat GPT replies:

The First Church, as depicted in the New Testament, was not just an institution or a structured religious system but an organic, Spirit-led community. The apostle Paul emphasizes in Ephesians 1:6 that believers are “accepted in the Beloved” (ἐχαρίτωσεν ἡμᾶς ἐν τῷ ἠγαπημένῳ – echaritōsen hēmas en tō ēgapēmenō), meaning God graciously welcomed all into Christ’s family, without favoritism based on race, gender, or social status.

The First Church as an Inclusive, Organic Community

The earliest Christian fellowships were diverse, including Jews and Gentiles (Galatians 3:28), slaves and free persons, men and women, rich and poor—all united under Christ. Acts 2:42-47 provides a description of this community:

They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching (διδαχή – didachē – instruction, doctrine).
They engaged in fellowship (κοινωνία – koinōnia – sharing, partnership, mutual participation).
They broke bread together (which included both communal meals and the Lord’s Supper).
They prayed together.
They shared resources as needed, without coercion.
They met both in homes and in public spaces (not confined to a rigid church building).
They grew in favor with people, meaning their presence was life-giving and not legalistic.

This style of gathering was organic, meaning it was not about maintaining rigid structures but about being led by the Spirit and forming genuine relationships.

Hebrews 10:25 – “Not Forsaking the Assembling” in Context

This verse is often used to promote church attendance, but its deeper meaning aligns with the First Church’s communal approach. The phrase “not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together” comes from μὴ ἐγκαταλείποντες τὴν ἐπισυναγωγὴν ἑαυτῶν (mē enkataleipontes tēn episynagōgēn heautōn).

ἐπισυναγωγή (episynagōgē) means “gathering together” and is used only twice in the New Testament (Hebrews 10:25 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1). It denotes more than just a meeting—it is about a divinely orchestrated gathering, not a rigid institutional format.
ἐγκαταλείποντες (enkataleipontes) means “abandoning” or “deserting,” implying that some were willfully withdrawing from Christian fellowship due to persecution or deception.

This passage encourages believers to stay connected for mutual encouragement, not to enforce mandatory church attendance under a hierarchical system.

Taveau asks Chat GPT about THE HEART OF THE FATHER, THE HEART OF THE CHRIST IN FELLOWSHIPS
Does an apostle, pastor, leader keep the “heart of the Father, Jesus Christ” in the Church?

Chat GPT responds:

How to Keep the Heart of the Father in the Church

Focusing on Relationship, Not Control
- Jesus built His ministry through love, grace, and servant leadership (Matthew 20:25-28).
- When churches focus on rules, submission, and hierarchy over love, they create an oppressive environment that chokes out the Holy Spirit’s work.
Prioritizing the Presence of God Over Religious Tradition
- A Spirit-led community thrives in freedom and grace (2 Corinthians 3:17).
- Overemphasis on rules, customs, and rigid structure dries out the joy of faith (Ezekiel 37:4-6 – dry bones prophecy).
- The First Church had organic gatherings, shared meals, and Holy Spirit-led meetings (Acts 2:42-47). Today, many churches have reduced fellowship to a structured event with limited real connection.
Leading With Humility and Love
- True leadership is servanthood, not domination (1 Peter 5:2-3).
- The apostle Paul was not authoritarian but called himself a spiritual father who gently guided (1 Corinthians 4:15).
- A joyful, loving, and safe community attracts people to Jesus, not fear-based manipulation.

What Drives Out the Heart of the Father?

Legalism & Control – Replaces grace with rigid rules, making faith feel like slavery rather than freedom.
Religious Elitism – Creates an “us vs. them” mentality, making people feel unworthy or excluded.
Spiritual Oppression – Uses fear and manipulation to control rather than allowing the Holy Spirit to lead.
Money-Driven Ministry – Focuses more on financial gain than shepherding God’s people.

How to Keep the Family Feel & Avoid a Dry System

Emphasize Love and Joy in Leadership – The Kingdom of God is about “righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost” (Romans 14:17).
Encourage Genuine Fellowship, Not Forced Submission – The First Church was built on mutual love, shared meals, and Spirit-led gatherings, not strict systems (Acts 2:42).
Let the Holy Spirit Lead, Rather Than Man-Made Control – Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom (Galatians 5:1).

Conclusion

When leadership reflects the true heart of the Father, churches become places of healing, restoration, and joy. However, when authoritarianism, control, and legalism take over, the life of the Spirit is quenched, and churches become dry religious institutions.

The key to preserving the heart of the Father in a church is to keep leadership humble, prioritize relationships over structure, and allow the Holy Spirit to move freely. The First Church thrived because it was Spirit-led, not system-led. Churches today must return to this model to keep the family feel and avoid becoming a rigid, lifeless institution.

TAVEAU ASKS ABOUT FORMS AND MANY FORMULAS

Taveau asks Chat GPT
When Did the Church Become a “Form” Instead of a Community? Elaborate in depth

ChatGTP responds Paul warned in 2 Timothy 3:5 that some would have “a form of godliness but deny the power thereof” (μορφωσιν εὐσεβείας – morphōsin eusebeias). The word μορφωσις (morphōsis) means an outward appearance or shape without substance. The shift from organic fellowship to rigid institution likely happened in phases:

Post-Apostolic Era (2nd-3rd Centuries) – Early church gatherings were still house-based, but leaders started to centralize power.
Constantinian Shift (4th Century) – Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity, favoring hierarchical church structures. The simple, Spirit-led assemblies transformed into formal institutions with clergy dominance.
Middle Ages – The church became politically entangled, forming elite religious classes, excluding laypeople from direct engagement with Scripture.
Modern Subcultures (Recent Centuries to Today) – Many churches have become “cliques, clans, and clubs” rather than communities, favoring exclusion over inclusion (I formerly state: this do not imply”woke existed by then)and replacing servant leadership with authoritarian structures.(to control)

Defining Subculture Christianity and “Clique Church”

The modern church subculture often reflects pharisaical traditions more than New Testament fellowship:

Exclusivity: Only certain “types” of people are welcomed.
Hierarchical Domination: The pastor is the only voice, and dissent is punished.
Performance-Based Acceptance: People must conform to unwritten rules to be considered “true” members.
Lack of Relationship: Fellowship becomes social networking rather than deep koinōnia.
Spectator Church: Members passively watch rather than actively participate as the body of Christ.

The Greek word for “clique” is ἑταιρεία (hetairia)—used in Luke 22:25, referring to a faction or self-serving group. Paul rebuked this in 1 Corinthians 1:10-13, urging unity in Christ, not division over leaders.

Training People Not to Fall into “Form Without Power”

Emphasize Personal Relationship Over Ritual – Teach that Jesus calls people into a relationship, not religious obligation.
Teach Servant Leadership – Leaders should model humility, not authoritarian control (Matthew 20:25-28).
Encourage Community Over Institution – People should gather to edify one another, not merely to sustain an organization.
Discern the Fruits (Matthew 7:15-20) – Teach believers to recognize true fellowship by its love, not its branding.
Reject Elitism and Gossip Culture – Any church that functions like an exclusive club rather than a welcoming family should be reformed or avoided.

The First Church was diverse, organic, and Spirit-led—not an exclusionary clique. Returning to this model requires intentional teaching and commitment to New Testament principles over modern institutionalism.

TAVEAU ASKS ABOUT
FORMULA AND HIERARCHY AS COMPARED WITH HOLY SPIRIT REVELATION
A Selah: therefore no bias against either, for it must be God specifically “led“

Taveau asks ChatGPT
Please discuss deep contrasts in Churches having a FORM vs FORMULA

ChatGPT replies

Form vs. Formula vs. God-Given Revelation in Ministry Structure

In the context of ministry development, particularly as it relates to hierarchy, ministry infrastructure, and governing order, there is a tension between relying on established forms (structures), adopting a formula (set methods or systems), and seeking God-given revelation (spiritual insight and guidance from the Holy Spirit). Understanding how these different elements align with biblical principles is essential in cultivating a leadership structure that represents the heart of Christ in the church.

Here’s a breakdown of how these elements should be viewed in light of biblical teaching:

1. Form:

A form refers to the outward structure or arrangement of something, which in the case of church ministry, could be the organization of leadership (e.g., pastors, elders, deacons) and the physical setup of church services, meetings, or events. The form establishes a framework within which the church operates, but it should never become a rigid system that stifles spiritual growth, creativity, or flexibility.

Biblical Perspective on Form:

1 Corinthians 14:40 (KJV): “Let all things be done decently and in order.”
This verse highlights that there is order in the church, but it does not prescribe a specific form or structure. While there is a need for organization (for example, clearly defined roles like apostles, prophets, pastors, and teachers), the form should never become more important than the purpose of ministry.
Acts 6:1-6 (KJV) provides a biblical example of structural development in the church:
The early church faced challenges in meeting the needs of all members (specifically widows), and the apostles delegated responsibility by appointing deacons to serve. This structural change was based on the needs of the community and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The form changed, but the goal remained focused on serving the body and spreading the gospel.

How to Approach Form in Leadership:

Flexible Structures: Leadership structures should be designed to adapt to the needs of the church and the leading of the Holy Spirit rather than being locked into a static system.
Empowering All Members: Forms should empower both leaders and laypeople, allowing every member to contribute meaningfully to the mission of the church. The structure should not make people feel like they are merely followers but active participants in God’s kingdom.

2. Formula:

A formula refers to a set of prescribed steps, methods, or procedures designed to achieve a specific outcome. In ministry, this could look like a pre-packaged church model that prescribes a specific way to do things (e.g., a particular style of worship, a “one-size-fits-all” leadership program, or specific steps for church growth).

Biblical Perspective on Formula:

***Matthew 15:8-9 (KJV): “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
Jesus criticizes the (yes even the neo Pharisees of right now)Pharisees for focusing on external formulas (rituals, traditions) rather than true heart worship. A formula can easily become empty if it lacks the guiding presence of the Holy Spirit and genuine revelation from God.

2 Timothy 3:5 (KJV): “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
A formula-driven church can appear godly but deny the power of the Holy Spirit. In ministry, relying on formulaic approaches can result in legalism or empty ritual, rather than fostering an authentic relationship with God.

How to Approach Formula in Leadership:

Avoid Legalism: While there are effective methods in ministry (teaching, evangelism, etc.), there should be no reliance on rigid formulas that force everyone into a mold. Ministry should remain relational and Spirit-led.
Discernment in Methods: Use biblical principles (such as the Great Commission) to guide ministry approaches, but always be willing to adapt based on the needs of the people and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

3. God-Given Revelation:

A God-given revelation involves divine guidance and spiritual insight from the Holy Spirit. It is the foundation of true Christian leadership and should always guide the establishment of ministry structures, priorities, and activities. Revelation from God allows leaders to discern His will and act accordingly, rather than simply following human-made systems or formulas.

Biblical Perspective on Revelation:

Ephesians 3:5 (KJV): “Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.”
God revealed His mysteries to His apostles and prophets by the Holy Spirit, and the Church today continues to rely on revelation for understanding God’s will in a changing world.
John 16:13 (KJV): “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.”
The Holy Spirit is the source of revelation, and He is responsible for guiding believers, including pastors and ministers, into truth and understanding.

How to Approach Revelation in Leadership:

Seek Constant Spiritual Guidance: Leaders must actively seek and yield to God’s guidance through prayer, fasting, and Bible study to understand His will for the ministry.
Flexibility to Adjust: God’s revelation may lead to changes in form, structure, or methods to fulfill His will. Leaders should remain open to new directions and spiritual insights to keep the ministry aligned with God’s heart.

TAVEAU ASKS ABOUT BUILDING A MINISTRY STRUCTURE

TD asks Chat GPT

Please describe Building a Ministry Structure Based on These Elements

ChatGPT Replies

When constructing a biblical ministry structure, it’s crucial to balance form, formula, and revelation:

Ministry Hierarchy (Form):
There can be a biblically-based structure that includes leaders such as apostles, pastors, elders, and deacons. This form provides clarity and accountability, but it must always be flexible to allow for changes as God leads (Acts 6:1-6).
Teaching Order and Rules (Formula):
While there are specific biblical principles and methods that guide church teaching (e.g., preaching the word, teaching sound doctrine, baptism), these methods should never become an empty formula. They must be carried out with genuine care and a focus on discipleship, not simply ritual or routine (Matthew 15:8-9).
Governing (Revelation):
The Holy Spirit must lead the governing process, from the appointment of leaders to the direction of the church’s vision. Apostolic leadership in the early church was grounded in revelation from the Holy Spirit, and today, church leaders should strive for spiritual discernment and avoid becoming “lording” figures (1 Peter 5:3).

Taveau asks of Chat GPT about MEGA and MINI, MICRO GATHERINGS

Pastor Taveau asks Chat GPT AI

There are many different church, ministry “sizes.” Please compare a Small Community vs. Mega Church:

Chat GPT responds

MICRO, MINI (Small Community Cell Group/Organic, Beginning Fellowship or Ministry):

Form: More fluid, informal leadership, with a focus on relationships and community.
Formula: Less rigid, relying on biblical principles more than set rules or processes.
Revelation: Strong emphasis on individual spiritual growth, personal discernment, and shared decision-making.

In small communities, leadership tends to be more relational and inclusive, focusing on equipping and empowering all members. Revelation plays a central role in guiding the direction, but it is not often encumbered by a set formula or rigid form.

Mega Church/Multicampus Ministry:

Form: Requires defined leadership (e.g., senior pastor, teaching pastors, staff, volunteers) and clear roles.
Formula: Often adopts a systematic approach to ministry, with specific processes for growth, outreach, and discipleship.
Revelation: Top-down direction, but should still be rooted in the Holy Spirit’s guidance. Larger ministries can sometimes lose sight of individual discernment if not carefully monitored.

In larger ministries, while structure and systems are necessary, revelation should always guide decisions, and the leadership should ensure that their methods and form do not become a barrier to authentic ministry.

In conclusion, the ideal church leadership structure balances form, formula, and revelation: flexible, spirit-led structures rooted in biblical principles, free from legalism, and aligned with the heart of God for His people.

Apostle Taveau has lot more to say regarding all of this, but we’re asking THE AI who is worthy but skirts the more precise indepth hands on fine tuning.

TD Makes A Big Point

Taveau Asks Chat GPT

How Does Leadership Shape the Heart of the Church, Ministry

How does any or all of the following effect what persons ‘perceive” as the Heart of the Church?
Some examples:False religious control—through authoritarianism, legalism, character assassination, oppression, and excessive financial emphasis—deeply impacts the spiritual atmosphere of a church.

Chat GPT responds:

The character and fruit of leadership at the highest levels (apostle, overseer, pastor) directly shape:

The heart of the church – Whether it is alive with God’s presence or dry and lifeless.
People’s view of Jesus – Whether He is seen as a loving Savior or as a harsh taskmaster.
The community dynamic – Whether the church feels like a spiritual family or an ownership-based, cult-like system.

Sister Taveau asks Chat GPT
How Can Top Leaders Keep the “Heart of the Father/joy of Christ ” in a/the Church

Chat GPT replies

Focusing on Relationship, Not Control
- Jesus built His ministry through love, grace, and servant leadership (Matthew 20:25-28).
- Avoid systems that prioritize hierarchy and blind submission over genuine relationships.
Prioritizing the Presence of God Over Religious Tradition
- A Spirit-led community thrives in freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17).
- Overemphasis on rules, customs, and rigid structure dries out the joy of faith (Ezekiel 37:4-6 – dry bones prophecy).
Leading With Humility and Love
- Leaders should be shepherds, not overlords (1 Peter 5:2-3).
- A joyful, loving, and safe community attracts people to Jesus, not fear-based manipulation.

Apostle Taveau is curious what Chat GPT AI will say and asks
What Can Drive Out the Heart of the Father?

Taveau asks and explains: How can a Top Leaders, Elders, avoid a ministry turning into another Dry System, a club, pet persons clique, versus a church with God’s Heart, Jesus caring and a (not caste system, cult, pet persons club but a diverse servant leader FAMILY FEEL** see article ISAIAH 56:7 The Jewish Sabbath Apart Fruit.. Role model (note; But Sister T is implying that in Christian ministry terms that it would ‘required attendance, legalistic, or that one’s Sabbath would only on one day or time,or only Christian Bible believing style , methodology and/or form?

It responds:

Legalism & Control – Turns faith into rules instead of relationship.
Religious Elitism – Creates an “us vs. them” mentality.
Spiritual Oppression – Uses fear instead of grace to control people.
Money-Driven Ministry – Focuses on financial gain rather than serving.

How to Keep the Family Feel & Avoid a Dry System

Emphasize love and joy in leadership (Romans 14:17).
Encourage genuine fellowship, not forced submission (Acts 2:42).
Let the Holy Spirit lead, rather than man-made control (Galatians 5:1).

Apostle Taveau asks Chat GPT Please compare First Church culture to modern day Christian Culture

Chat GPT states:

Comparing the First Church Community to Modern Christian Culture

In the First Church, as seen in the New Testament, believers were described as being “accepted in the Beloved” (Ephesians 1:6)—a diverse community of different colors, sizes, and backgrounds. Both males and females were respected equally in the early Christian movement, evidenced by Paul’s recognition of female leaders such as Priscilla (Romans 16:3), Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2), and Junia (Romans 16:7). This was a far cry from the hierarchical, exclusionary attitudes seen in some modern church movements.

Hebrews 10:25 and True Christian Fellowship

“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.”

This verse is often used to promote church attendance, but what was the true organic style, purpose, and “flavor” of Christian community in the First Church?

Organic Christian Fellowship (Greek: κοινωνία – koinonia) was not a rigid institution, but a dynamic, Spirit-led gathering centered around worship, teaching, breaking bread, and genuine friendship (Acts 2:42-47).
Purpose – The early church functioned as a family, sharing resources (Acts 4:32-35), supporting one another, and engaging in mission. There was no elite caste of leaders controlling access to God.
Flavor – The movement was spontaneous, Spirit-led, and deeply relational. There was no strict liturgy, no forced submission to authoritarian figures—just people growing together in Christ.

From Community to Institutional Form: The Shift

At some point, the church shifted from a Spirit-led community into a structured institution—sometimes even resembling a clique, a club, or a witch-watching subculture. When did this happen?

Greek Influence & Church Hierarchies (2nd-3rd Century) – As the church expanded into the Greco-Roman world, it absorbed hierarchical structures, formalizing clergy roles and diminishing the fluid, relational model of leadership in Acts.
Council of Nicaea (325 AD) – Christianity became state-sanctioned, leading to a more rigid structure with formalized doctrines and clergy-laity divisions.
Medieval Church Control (5th-15th Century) – The institutional church grew into a political and social powerhouse, moving further from its organic beginnings.
Modern Mega-Church Culture – In some charismatic and prophetic movements, spiritual gifts are misused as tools of control, turning ministries into cliques and elite clubs, rather than places of healing and discipleship.

Sister Taveau asks Chat GPT to relate all of the above ministry to (divining,inner thoughts, mind “appear to be reading” as in mega and many micro, plus peer community “elite witch watching ” (her own particular nightmare)

Witch-Watching Subcultures: Defining the Problem

What it is: A culture where leaders or members use suspicion, fear, and so-called prophetic “readings” to judge or exclude people.
False Biblical Basis: Misinterpretations of verses like 2 Kings 6:12 (Elisha discerning secret conversations) and Acts 16:16-18 (the girl with a spirit of divination) are sometimes twisted to justify inner-reading, false discernment, and labeling people as witches, warlocks, or Jezebels.
Greek & Hebrew Word Study
- Witchcraft (Greek: φαρμακεία – pharmakeia) – Not just sorcery, but also manipulation and control.
- Divination (Hebrew: קֶסֶם – qesem) – A practice of seeking hidden knowledge through supernatural means—which can be distorted when self-proclaimed prophets claim to “see” people’s sins or motives without relationship.
- Discernment (Greek: διάκρισις – diakrisis) – True discernment in 1 Corinthians 12:10 is meant to protect the Body of Christ, not accuse and slander.

How to Train People Not to Go There

Return to the True Gospel – Focus on grace, love, and biblical accountability rather than fear-based control.
Encourage Healthy Leadership – Leaders should be servants, not spiritual police officers (Matthew 20:25-28).
Discernment vs. False Accusation – Teach believers how to test spirits biblically (1 John 4:1), rather than assuming every disagreement or difference is demonic.
Expose Legalism & Control – Teach Galatians 5:1 – “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.”

Sister T “begins” to close with this part:

But first, James 3:17 historically abiding Miss TD’s ministry Bio, which in cludes her bittersweet DFW Ministry learning curve, and gaining her Own Heavenly Revelation, certainly also Apostle Pauline lines,which was and is now:

“I need to be me” plus a far multicultural and down to earth and JOYFUL Jesus and respectful Epiphan.

Plus the mighty Lord directed me to these verses after discovering much of the above character fruit in pulpit ministries, staff in the USA. Also complaining against the “attending people” and then experienced, tired sr pastors, taking them for granted.

In SOME ministry , apostolic big wig circles, I felt that God had sent me like a weeping no name yet a the least likely prophetic Hannah onto the steps of too many I Samuel Eli “the LP Boy’s Club, user, misogyny, with dire fruit and a kinds of masculine against leader feminine , opportunist and seemingly snaky deceptive (and in some ministry pockets what I dubbed “The Vulture Culture” out among mostly the Deep Southwest, deposit in that grass roots, more like dirt floor big culture.

For any Big Boy Community Record: I was not raised by that, around that or even realize that it existed in SUCH GREAT (per capita) QUANTITY or I might have risen up and reproved MORE and EARLIER ONE.

However, by now I have experienced it, and that is precisely WHY I bring up the topic, for I was not around it, and not really aware of it until the last pass and was surrounded by LP charismatic forms of senior ministry,

This means that by this now, this responsible She has seen it in ministry action and want no part of it. So I relocated and can, and will, continue to leader address it ,from up here (I still have the DFW Leader Ministry Fellowship which is just on line, in hibernation for now on www.onlinefellowship.us) But toward October, I sense God wants it out. once more. Yet I understand that I am more diverse than most of my pale skinned fellow saints…in the deep mainly grass roots set in “born again” saved Christian culture (Also, this white skinned fellow person is a non WELP, who is also hard working, very low key, dress down, subtle, servant leader, yet mature experienced doctoral earned degrees (with these) in ministry..

Taveau Continues to Describe The LP Wild Adventure

The Growth and Learning Curve about all of this I would want anyone to experience, So I will train to spare and serve many. Admittedly it was a misogynous deep celebrity cult subculture which I have definitely forgiven but know it too well to want to let it control me, defile this non demonic true person, ever again. I repeat this area, USA witch watching “giant “2 Timothy 3:1-8/1 Timothy 6:5 From Such Turn Away Fellowship” Truth, The Psalm 144: 7-11 “Strange children” and much more.

For all this was, basic grass roots “now still is” a USA Perspective, Show Biz Grandiose, which was at first mega intimidating (never once seen such and also SO MUCH of that Such), yet on the other hand, I had been into “real revival, repentance” among Christiana ministers, my self and my ministry ancestral family, cousins, and this was THE MOST solemn, word cursing, sinister typecasting Hand Mega Eye Witness, micro “famous followers, bragging about WHOM they were “UNDER” and it eventually culminated into my leader growing about “occult vs prophecy, true and false authority but mainly the Elite Christian Ministry (troubling) white (Levitical) Patriarchy, (not Christian /non Christian family men, but False teaching, False Authority adversarial demonic caste system legalism, which I realized that I ‘triggered” for showing up and sitting there calmly bearing James 3:17 fruit, but I would be glowered at, with stood, avoided, blocked but very worst all treated like ‘trash by being “deep scanned, over and over without any sign of Jesus Joy or His respectful pure Koinonia “fellowship” family feel “love

Calm aside: witch watchers PRAY FOR THESE as am NOT against these, but admittedly “playing it wise and safe” as a missionary apostle prophet of a different sort of prophetic, not all white move, which is to USA ministry plus in her own God SENT right)

Yet this “witch watching ” is undeserved, new visitor, minister , human person “vile harassment” and use of OCCULT false religion, Furthermore it is aggressive, self centered fully, suspicious and defiant of Christ and/or Pauls, or First Church terms, teaching and methodology. I call this out as “OUR OWN” PRIVATE CULT, THE TURF PROTECTING FAMOUS PERSON’S WHITE WITCHCRAFT SLY TARGETING CULT ”

And not in the beginning of these many “organic mainly spirit filled” GREAT 1980’s/90’s precious worship moves , but after they got big and dried up in character, discernment and pure focus, and made it about the GIFTS, TALENTS and ACHIEVEMENT and “making it big” more than knowing the Lord or winning the Lost. It turned professional and monied and now its Private Squire Turf and turned Christian Celebrity .

Plus I had never once seen it up close, in such magnitude, until DFW 2005-2020

. And that is WHY I AM FOR (human these)but NOT GOING BACK INTO THAT (Means unless, unless these repent) the LP Good Ole Humans Clubs, with it’s poking country law bias and it’s set in Pharisee Big Boss Steel conniving mean ways. As I had never been ” cult watched,””big shot seer glared at” and I would suspect “targeted,prayed against, deep scanned “divined’ SO MUCH that I feel demonically outnumbered and apostolicaly VIOLATED (and I MEAN THIS FULLY)

Yet they are doing it to so many, most of these, if not all “”little”” suffering” not important ” women ” (The LP Boys Club) I Samuel “Eli’s coming, hide your heart now” (been teaching that on Eli Boys Club big fruit since 2013 online)

TAVEAU ASKS: “WHERE IS ORGANIC IN ALL OF THAT?

For one notes, these are raised “under” that I assume, And I as student who has surfed Christ’s diverse body way long before this…also this She person attributes this heightened Bible discernment, the want for pure respect as a normal persons,saved attender, is that it comes from my own Southern Baptist pastor late dear father, who (all the men in ministry, family and in real life) had been (are) “NOTHING LIKE THIS” Thus it made the inner discern of spirit “hackles rise” as it FALSE ACCUSING BIG SHOT RELIGION ( the even worst spectrum of it resemble The Compassion Fatigued fruit of what was the I Samuel Boys will be Boys “Club (wink wink) ..a sly ambitious “witch watching” women are OUR turf, which was, is in some ministries NOW… non contrite, squire elite “Christian ministry” mainly “imperial” type of culture.

“A real pentecostal might ask, “But Sister Taveau, didn’t the Bible tell us they went out in 2’s” Yes, but that for that day and that particular mission, yet it was not LAW or an excuse to abuse, false witness and/or have Males Only Domination Misogynist Form on Christian Ministry (I can prove this all in scripture) THIS IS WHY I HAVE DELIVERANCE TRAINING CALL TO THESE “To correct, reprove, to LIBERATE these” and warn them of God’s coming JUDGMENT.

PS Also there is no such thing as being UNDER spiritual covering anywhere in the Bible. I researched it, will teach on it in 2-3 days) under the TROUBLING OF THE CHRISTIAN PATRIARCHY SERIES

I teach this to train both ladies and men and girls and boys and all kinds styles of visitors to CHARISMATIC CHURCHES that do this. BE ACUTELY WARNED

Also I am calling for PROPHETIC CHARISMATIC, ALSO MINISTRY REFORM:

I’ve made up a name for it
REPENTECOST

PROPHET T’S GIVEN BIBLE SCRIPTURES

Reason: to assure both God’s congregations and His Pulpit Stage Senior Offices

Taveau asks
Dear Chat, Please discuss the following 2 verses in light of God’s people ENJOYING, REJOICING in Hebrews 10:25 “ministry, church going, even God directed joining”

Chat GPT responds:

Psalm 132:9:
“Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.”

Psalm 132:16:
“I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy”

Please discuss Christian ministry, how the top leader, the priest, the pastor, the one sitting in charge over the people, affects the congregation’s attitude, atmosphere. I would go to Psalm 132: 9, and 16. Teach on that and make it plain.. And any others similar

Chat GPT AI replies

The top leader in Christian ministry—whether a priest, pastor, bishop, or overseer—greatly impacts the spiritual atmosphere, attitude, and overall health of a congregation. Their leadership style, personal character, and approach to authority influence how people respond to God, one another, and the ministry itself.

Psalm 132:9 + 16 – The Leader’s Effect on the People

This passage highlights how righteousness and joy in leadership affect the congregation:

Psalm 132:9 – “Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.”
- Priests (כֹּהֲנֶיךָ – kohaneka) – In the Old Testament, priests were mediators between God and the people. Today, pastors, ministers, and leaders serve in a similar guiding role.
- Clothed with righteousness (יִלְבְּשׁוּ־צֶדֶק – yilbeshu-tzedek) – This signifies a lifestyle and ministry marked by integrity, justice, and holiness. The leader’s righteousness sets the tone for the entire community.
- Saints shouting for joy (יָרְנְּנוּ חֲסִידֶיךָ – yarnenu chasideka) – When leadership is righteous, the congregation flourishes with joy and praise, rather than fear, oppression, or control.
Psalm 132:16 – “I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.”
- Clothed with salvation (אוֹשִׁיעַ – oshi’a’) – This suggests divine covering, redemption, and spiritual purity. A leader walking in God’s salvation leads people into deeper spiritual freedom.
- Saints shouting aloud for joy (יָרְנְּנוּ – yarnenu) – Repeated from verse 9, showing that spiritually healthy leadership results in a joyful, thriving congregation.

How Leadership Affects the Church Atmosphere

A pastor’s character and choices shape the church’s environment:

If a leader walks in righteousness → the people thrive in joy and peace.
If a leader walks in sin, pride, or control → the people feel oppressed, fearful, and burdened.

This principle is reinforced in other Scriptures:

Other Key Scriptures on Leadership and Congregational Impact

Proverbs 29:2 – “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.”
- A just, humble leader brings life and joy.
- A corrupt, authoritarian leader brings oppression and sadness.
Matthew 23:1-4 – Jesus rebukes Pharisaical leadership:
- They love authority but lack righteousness.
- They place heavy burdens on people but do not help.
- This kills the joy and true worship of the congregation.
1 Peter 5:2-3 – Peter’s command to church leaders:
- Shepherd God’s flock willingly and eagerly, not for money.
- Do not lord over people but lead by example.
- A humble, servant-hearted leader fosters a healthy spiritual atmosphere.

Types of Leadership and Their Impact

Servant Leadership (Christlike, humble, Spirit-led)
- Encourages joy, love, unity, and spiritual growth.
- Examples: Jesus (John 13:12-17), Paul (1 Corinthians 9:19), Moses (Numbers 12:3).
Authoritarian Leadership (Controlling, prideful, manipulative)
- Creates fear, legalism, division, and spiritual stagnation.
- Examples: The Pharisees (Matthew 23), King Saul (1 Samuel 15).
Passive Leadership (Weak, disengaged, unspiritual)
- Leads to confusion, disorder, and lack of vision.
- Examples: Eli (1 Samuel 3:13), Aaron with the golden calf (Exodus 32).

Teaching It Plainly: How Leaders Can Maintain a Godly Atmosphere

Walk in righteousness – Live and lead with integrity, not hypocrisy.
Lead by example – Do not lord over people (1 Peter 5:3).
Create an atmosphere of freedom, not fear – No intimidation, no control, no manipulation.
Encourage joy and worship – A Spirit-filled leader brings life, not heaviness.
Clothe yourself with salvation – A leader fully surrendered to Christ brings healing to others.

Conclusion: Leadership Defines the Ministry Culture

A leader’s righteousness or sinfulness affects the congregation’s attitude, spiritual health, and joy. Psalm 132 teaches that leaders should be clothed in righteousness and salvation, so that God’s people can rejoice. The New Testament confirms this—humble, servant-hearted leadership leads to a thriving, Spirit-filled community.

Dr Taveau asks Chat about

Again, discuss, train on “How Leadership Shapes the Heart of the Church”

Chat replies:

False religious control—through authoritarianism, legalism, character assassination, oppression, and excessive financial emphasis—deeply impacts the spiritual atmosphere of a church. The character and fruit of leadership at the highest levels (apostle, overseer, pastor) directly shape the heart of the church, the people’s view of Jesus, and whether the church feels like a family or an ownership-based, cult-like system.

In the First Church, leaders served as spiritual fathers and mothers, guiding the people in love rather than ruling with a heavy hand. The apostle Paul described this as “being accepted in the Beloved” (Ephesians 1:6), a community where all were valued regardless of background, race, or gender. This contrasts with many modern churches where leadership structures have become hierarchical, performance-driven, and controlling rather than Spirit-led and organic.

Taveau asks
How can false leadership affect a,the Church

Chat GPT answers