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PART 16 TROUBLING THE CHRISTIAN PATRIARCHY
ADAM AND EVE PRIOR TO THE PATRIARCHY
More Adam and Eve, Plus the Evolution from “Relationships” in the Garden to the Christian Patriarchy
“Where can you go where the Lord is not there?” **
**Hopefully this includes the local Christian ministry fellowship
Also, we all acknowledge “That where 2 or 3 are gathered in His Name “He is there”**
**But… WHOย ย brings in the ministry negativeย bias, the tale bearing , the respecter of persons religious spirit? and the submission Law,ย evil eye witch like control, and ministry pressure to conform?ย
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First, I,ย Taveau state my own apostolicย theories about the following Prior to the Strict Religious Ministry Patriarchy.But it is deep,historical, Christian yet based on God’s Love and His direct commands given Moses and His people: The 10 Commandments, also Old Testament Torah Love Chat GPT AI
Taveau sates:In this part 16, Iย want to examine this big Bible SUBJECT .I will ask Chat GPT AI toย expound usingย KJV and Greek , Hebrew, Aramaic, if, when, where it is needed, and to lookย at Genesis 1-2 Pre Garden Sin,ย Before the Carnal Choices and theย Human Fall.
Then I attempt to make the second point: Each one of the mentionedย Bible “life”ย RELATIONSHIPS. I note these in Genesis 1-2 as the First God and created human person were fellowshipping in a “calm, pleasant, ‘relationship’ ( “walking and talking daily” in the cool of the day… Creator Father God fellowshipping (relating) one to one, withย Adam.ย
Later after Eve’s formation, then God fellowshipped** directly with Adam andย eventually, also with Eve, and Adam and Eve as a couple (** this reminds me of Genesis 5 Enoch(after the garden fall), which is prophetic of many right now in Book of Acts, Christian days.
Make my major point: in Genesis 1, we note that before Eve was formed how God first hand instructed, his first man, Adam to ” not eat of that ONE, the knowledge ofย Good and evilโ
Also make thisย Big Point:ย In light modern day Christian teaching, we point out that NOBODY except Creator and Adam were where when God first gave the command ..Eve was not yet formed. POINT BEING: That Adam heard God’s clear instructions, and nobody (Eve)ย was there to distract Adam from hearing God clearly: This means that later, in Genesis 3 God would go directly to Adam, not Eve,even though she is recorded as the first one who ate the forbidden fruit. God would value his first relationship with Adam, but also hold “directly accountable” not Eve.(for God called out “Adam, where are you?”
More later, for this that happens in Genesis 3.
My Modern Day Science, also Relationship, viewpoint: God and Adam related. But Adam was lonely for someone to be with in human form (My submitted view) SO God caused Adam auto sleep While He was asleep God formed EVE woman out of Adamโs side (rib/) which in modern day Science means โEve was formed from his DNA and is equal and valid, deserves same respect and merit as the man., but do explain the โmen women differences)
THEN THIS LENGTHY FACT FILLED ARTICLED WILL TAKEย A SHIFT
For, after that, I ask Chat GPT about “the evolutionย from the Garden,to the huge Fall…stumbling along to the formation of Jewish Nationย Torah Law,theย ancient Hebrewย patriarchs…but then slowly comes the Church, but then through out history arises the Christian Ministry “patriarchy”
ย HERE THIS PART 16 OFFICIALLY BEGINS:
Taveau asks Chat GPT about
Genesis 1-2 Describe bible relationships from then, later on discuss the development of what I now name as the Christian patriarchy (where did it first originate? )
Chat GPT responds:
Examining the Big Bible Subject: Genesis 1โ2 โ Relationships Before the Fall
Introduction
Before the Fall in Genesis 3, there was perfect harmony between God, man, and creation. Life itself was designed as RELATIONSHIPโfirst between God and Adam, then between Adam and Eve, and onward to all creation. Genesis chapters 1 and 2 reveal God’s divine relational design before sin, setting a timeless pattern for understanding human dignity, equality, and purpose.
In this study, we will explore the first divine relationship between Adam and the Creator Father God, and then the introduction of Eve. We will reference the KJV Bible, including insights from Hebrew and Greek where helpful, and apply this to understanding the equality of men and women, while respecting their unique design differences
I. Adam and God: The First Divine Relationship
Before Eve was created, Adam enjoyed direct, undistracted fellowship with the Lord God. Genesis 2:16-17 (KJV) records:
โAnd the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.โ
Big Point:
At this time, no other human was present to distract Adam from hearing God’s instruction clearly. This demonstrates how personal, direct, and relational God is with humanity. The Hebrew word for “commanded” here is ืฆึธืึธื (tsavah) meaning “to appoint, direct, give charge.”
Adam lived in God’s full presence, walking in the Spirit, fully aware of his Creator without interference. However, God Himself noted something missing.
II. Adamโs Need for Human Relationship
Genesis 2:18 (KJV) says:
โAnd the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.โ
The Hebrew for โhelp meetโ is ืขึตืึถืจ ืึฐึผื ึถืึฐืึผืึน (ezer kenegdo), meaning “a helper corresponding to him, equal and adequate.”
Submitted Viewpoint:
While Adam had deep relationship with God, there was a God-designed need for human companionshipโsomeone “like him,” yet complementary. Thus, God caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep:
โAnd the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof.โ
(Genesis 2:21)
The Hebrew for “rib” is ืฆึตืึธืข (tsela), which can mean side or part of the body, implying Eve was not taken from Adamโs foot to be under him, nor from his head to rule over him, but from his side to walk with him, as his equal partner
III. Eve: Formed from Adam, Equal and Distinct
Modern Understanding:
Sister Taveau’s major apostolic point: with modern day science, we now understand this:
From a scientific viewpoint, we now understand that DNA resides within every cell of the body. By taking from Adam’s own body, God used the very essence of humanity to create Eve, ensuring shared humanity, equal worth, and mutual respect.
Men and Women Differences:
While equal in worth, men and women are uniquely designed with distinct strengths and roles, often complementing one another:
- Adam (ืึธืึธื – ‘adam) meaning “man” or “humanity”, was formed from the dust (adamah – ground).
- Eve (ืึทืึธึผื – Chavvah) meaning “life” or “living,” because she became the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20).
Their differences were never intended for domination, control, or superiority but to reflect the full image of God (Genesis 1:27):
โSo God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.โ
IV. Relationship Blueprint
Genesis 1โ2 gives us Godโs original intent for human relationships:
- First Relationship: God and Adam (individual communion, direct communication).
- Second Relationship: Adam and Eve (equal partnership, mutual support).
This establishes the foundation that โall life is relationshipsโโwith God, others, and creation.
Takeaway for Today
Godโs original plan was not hierarchy, oppression, or imbalance but unity, mutual respect, and shared purpose. Even in the differences between men and women, Genesis 1โ2 reveals God’s heart for equal value and dignity.
This truth leads us forward into New Testament teachings like Ephesians 5:21 (KJV):
โSubmitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.โ
From the very beginning, God’s design has been relationshipโpure, respectful, and holyโfree from bias, control, and domination.
ย NEXT Taveau says:
Please review the Genesis 1-2ย via mature respect for allย Relationships
Chat GPT replies:
ย Genesis 1โ2: Pre-Garden Sin, the Carnal Human Fall, and the Relationship Design of God
“All Life Is Relationships”
In studying Genesis 1โ2 (KJV), we see God’s original, perfect design for humanity before sin entered the world. The foundation of life was relationshipโfirst with God, then with others. Before any failure, before temptation, and before the Fall, the first man, Adam, experienced a divine relationship with his Creator, God the Father.
1๏ธ The First Divine Relationship: Adam and His God
Before Eve was created, Adam had only God. This was the first relationship on Earthโa direct, undistracted, personal relationship between the Creator and the man He formed.
Genesis 2:16-17 (KJV)
“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
ย Key Hebrew Notes:
- LORD God โ YHWH Elohim (ืึฐืืึธื ืึฑืึนืึดืื): Emphasizing both God’s covenant nature (YHWH) and His supreme power as Creator (Elohim).
- Commanded โ Tsavah (ืฆึธืึธื): A clear, authoritative directive.
- Die โ Mot tamut (ืืึนืช ืชึธึผืืึผืช): Literally, “dying you shall die,” pointing to both immediate spiritual death and eventual physical death.
ย Big Point:
At this moment in creation, nobody else was present to distract Adam. There were no other voices, no competing relationships, and no external influences. He heard Godโs command clearly and directly.
The relationship was simple: God spoke. Adam listened. Their communion was unhindered.
2๏ธAdam’s Loneliness: The First “Not Good”
Even though Adam had perfect fellowship with God, there was something incomplete. God Himself observed this and made a declaration:
Genesis 2:18 (KJV)
“And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.”
ย Key Hebrew Notes:
- Not good โ Lo tov (ืึนืึพืืึนื): The first time God declares something in creation as “not good.”
- Help meet โ Ezer kenegdo (ืขึตืึถืจ ืึฐึผื ึถืึฐืึผืึน): Literally, “a helper corresponding to him” or “a counterpart facing him.” This implies equality, partnership, and complementarity.
ย Relationship Viewpoint:
Though Adam had relationship with God, he was designed to also need human companionship. In my submitted view, Adam may have longed for someone like himselfโa companion in human form. God, seeing this, provided the perfect solution.
3๏ธ The Creation of Eve: Equal and Valid
To meet Adam’s need, God performed the first surgery. Adam was placed into a deep sleep, and out of his own body, God formed woman.
Genesis 2:21-22 (KJV)
“And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.”
ย Key Hebrew Notes:
- Rib โ Tsela (ืฆึตืึธืข): Often translated as “side,” suggesting not just a single bone but part of his very structure or being.
- Made โ Banah (ืึธึผื ึธื): Meaning “built” or “fashioned,” implying careful design and craftsmanship.
ย Modern Reflection:
In modern scientific understanding, we might say Eve was formed from Adam’s DNA, highlighting that she was:
- Equal in essence.
- Of the same substance.
- Worthy of equal respect and honor.
Eve was not inferior. She was not an afterthought. She was a partner, designed specifically to complete what was lacking.
4๏ธ Men and Women: Differences with Purpose
Although man and woman are equal in value, Scripture highlights complementary differences.
Genesis 1:27 (KJV)
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
ย Hebrew Word Meanings:
- Male โ Zakar (ืึธืึธืจ): Root meaning “to remember” or “to be marked,” often associated with roles of initiation, protection, and strength.
- Female โ Neqevah (ื ึฐืงึตืึธื): Root meaning “to perforate” or “to receive,” reflecting a role of receptivity, nurture, and life-bearing.
ย Distinct but Complementary Roles:
Role of Man | Role of Woman |
---|---|
Initiator and protector | Nurturer and life-bearer |
Outward focus (tilling, guarding) | Relational focus (helper, supporter) |
Physical strength | Emotional and relational strength |
Together, male and female reflect the full image of God in different but harmonizing ways. Neither is superior. Neither is complete alone. Both are necessary for God’s design to function fully.
ย Conclusion: God’s Blueprint for Relationships
Genesis 1โ2 reveals that God’s creation was built on relationships:
- Vertical relationship with God.
- Horizontal relationship with others.
- Unity between man and woman, without competition or domination.
Before sin, Adam and Eve stood as equalsโpartners created in perfect harmony. Their design reminds us that all life is relationships:
Relationship with God,
Relationship with others,
And relationship with creation.
.The Scene Prior to Sinย (Pre Sin, No Governing Law) GENESIS 1-2.
Sister Taveau says:
In light of now, the many horrible people, the pain
pain, suffering, identify confusion, even ministry or governing order. Let us examine WHY
I asked Chat GPT about this:
Nothing is said in any of this about pain, suffering, loss, bias, headship, order, rule..nor is there malformities and identify confusion, even ministry or governing order. Let us examine WHY ….Bible -First Church, Law-Christ, Paul and now
Chat GPT states:
Hereโs an expanded version that examines pain, suffering, loss, bias, headship, order, rule, malformations, identity confusion, ministry, and governing orderโfrom Genesis to the First Church, the Law to Christ, Paul to now.
The Original Design vs. The Aftermath of the Fall: Headship, Order, Rule & Identity in Biblical Context
Introduction
Genesis 1โ2 presents a world of order, harmony, and divine relationship before sin entered. There was no pain, suffering, bias, hierarchy, or gender confusionโonly Godโs pure design. But Genesis 3 introduces a profound shift, affecting human identity, leadership, relationships, and governing order. This shift echoes from the Old Testament Law to Christ, from Paulโs teachings to the Church today.
To understand how these issuesโheadship, rule, suffering, disorder, and governanceโcame about, we must examine what changed after sin entered the world.
I. The Genesis Blueprint: Before the Fall (Genesis 1โ2)
1. Perfect Design Without Bias or Struggle
Before sin, human relationships were based on:
- Direct communion with God (Genesis 2:15-17).
- Mutual honor between man and woman (Genesis 2:23-24).
- No dominance, hierarchy, or oppression.
God established order, but not oppressive rule:
โSo God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.โ
(Genesis 1:27 KJV)
The Hebrew phrase “image of God” (ืฆึถืึถื ืึฑืึนืึดืื, tzelem Elohim) applies equally to male and female, signifying equal worth, purpose, and dignity.
- At this stage:
ย No pain, suffering, or loss.
ย No bias or imbalance in leadership.
ย No malformations or identity confusionโeach creation had distinct form and purpose.
II. The Fall: Sin Introduces Pain, Loss, and Struggle (Genesis 3)
1. The Root of Suffering & Oppression
After Adam and Eve sinned, everything shifted:
- Separation from God โ Spiritual Death.
- Pain in childbirth (Genesis 3:16) โ Physical suffering.
- Toil and struggle in work (Genesis 3:17-19) โ Loss & hardship.
- Broken male-female relationships โ The introduction of rulership and dominance.
โโฆthy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.โ
(Genesis 3:16 KJV)
The Hebrew word for “rule” (ืึธืฉึทืื, mashal) means to dominate, govern, or have authority over.
BIG NOTE:ย This was a consequence of sin, NOT Godโs original plan.
Before the Fall, Adam and Eve were partnersโbut after sin, male rulership over women became the human default.
2. Why Is There Identity Confusion & Physical Malformations?
Sin did not only impact relationshipsโit affected creation itself:
โFor we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.โ
(Romans 8:22 KJV)
This includes:
- Genetic disorders & physical malformations (effects of a fallen world).
- Identity confusion (spiritual and psychological fragmentation due to sin).
- Corrupt leadership structures (power abuse in homes, churches, and nations).
The Fall distorted God’s perfect design, but did not erase Godโs image in humanity.
III. From the Law to Christ: Restoring Order & Relationship
1. The Old Testament: Governing Under the Law
In the Old Testament, law and structure were introduced to manage fallen human behavior, including:
- Priesthood & Sacrifices (Leviticus) โ A system to approach a holy God.
- Civil & Moral Laws (Exodus-Deuteronomy) โ Governing society with justice.
- Male Leadership Norms โ Due to the Fall, men dominated governing roles.
Yet, throughout the Old Testament, God raised up women leaders (Deborah, Huldah, Esther, etc.), proving He still called and used both men and women in leadership.
2. Jesus Christ: Restoring Godโs Order Without Bias
When Jesus came, He challenged the effects of the Fall by:
- ย Healing sickness (reversing physical consequences of sin).
ย Honoring women openly (restoring their place in ministry & leadership).
ย Preaching mutual submission & servant leadership (Mark 10:42-45).
Christian Big Point :
Christ never endorsed the oppression of women,race, or people group, or faith, by either hierarchy for dominance, or gender bias.
NEW SUBJECT: Compare This with Genesis 1-2 Garden
Subculture Big Christian Shift:ย Send In the Ministry Patriarchy
Taveau Inquires of Chat GPT AI
Where Did Patriarchy and Authoritarianism Enter the First Church?
Were Jesus, the First 12 Apostles, and the Early Church Patriarchal?
ย Chat GPT Answers
ย A Short answer:
No, not in the fallen, dominating, โThe Patriarchyโ sense.
But yes, culturally, they lived in a male-led society (Hebrew, Roman, Greek)โso it looked patriarchal on the outside.
BUTโฆ Christ’s Kingdom model and the First Church broke from the Levitical, rigid patriarchal systems by establishing:
- Servant leadership (Mark 10:42-45).
- Mutual submission (Ephesians 5:21).
- Holy Spirit-empowered community where all gifts, male and female, Jew and Gentile, slave and free were valid (Galatians 3:28).
Patriarchal Subculture vs. Kingdom Culture
โ๏ธ What is โThe Patriarchyโ?
As you’re describing, itโs a fallen, man-made system of control where:
- Men dominate.
- Power is held by a few.
- Gender, status, and hierarchy determine who is “important.”
- It uses titles, order, hierarchy, and rules to keep control.
โ๏ธ What is Levitical Patriarchy?
In the Old Testament, under Mosaic Law, there was a priestly male order (Levitical priests, tribes, genealogies).
- Men only served as priests.
- Leadership was through family lineage.
- Women had limited public roles.
Q.ย But what did Jesus and the First Church do?
They fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17) and introduced SERVANT leadership:
“But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister.” (Mark 10:43, KJV)
Key traits of Jesus’ and the First Apostles’ leadership:
Levitical Patriarchy (Old Law) | Jesus’ New Covenant Model |
---|---|
Male-only priests | Both men and women operating in gifts (Acts 2:17-18) |
Top-down hierarchy | Mutual submission (Ephesians 5:21) |
Order through bloodline | Order through the Holy Spirit |
Temple system and sacrifices | Body of Christ as the temple |
National law-based system | Global, Spirit-led family |
Did the 12 Apostles function as โThe Patriarchyโ?
ย NO.
They were not gathering to dominate, control, or make tribes, cliques, or brand empires.
They were:
- Sent ones (Greek apostolos: “one sent on a mission”).
- Servants.
- Community builders.
- Willing to suffer and die for Christ and others.
- Equippers of others (including women like Priscilla, Phoebe, Junia).
Ephesians 5:21 โ The Antidote to โThe Patriarchyโ
โSubmitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.โ (Ephesians 5:21)
What does this mean?
- Mutual respect.
- No dominating each other.
- No celebrity over common believer.
- No cliques or insider-only โclubs.โ
- Honor across genders, ages, races, backgrounds.
Paul was directly undoing the cultural patriarchal norms of Rome, Greece, and even portions of Hebrew tradition.
ย ORIGIN IN THE FIRST CHURCH ERA:
Authoritarian, patriarchal, and totalitarian attitudes began creeping in after:
- The original apostles started dying (around 70โ100 AD).
- Fear of false doctrine and persecution made leaders want control and order.
- Gentile converts brought Roman, Greek, and hierarchical cultural habits into church structure (Romans had emperors, generals, and rulers).
- The early house church model shifted toward institutional buildings with set offices and ranks, resembling government systems.
- By 300 AD, with Constantine’s Roman Empire “Christianization,” the church became entangled with state power, hierarchy, and official titlesโleading to bishop over region, pope over bishops, etc.
WHAT CAUSED IT THEN?
- Fear of losing control.
- Fear of heresy.
- Desire for worldly power and recognition.
- Importing pagan, Roman, and Greek leadership models into spiritual life.
- Shifting from Holy Spirit leading to human governance.
WHAT CAUSES IT NOW?
- Same root fears: loss of control, influence, or finances.
- Celebrity culture: famous pastors, prophets, apostles seeking followers and platforms.
- Business models applied to ministry: branding, franchising, monetization.
- Lack of Ephesians 5:21 mutual submission.
- Ignoring Jesus’ servant leader model (Mark 10:42-45).
- Copying worldly systems: corporate boards, hierarchies, titles used for domination.
Bottom Line:
Authoritarianism in church arises anytime fear, greed, pride, or worldly influence replace humility, service, and Holy Spirit guidance.
Clarification: How Roman and Hellenistic Influence Brought Authoritarianism into the Early Church
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