TROUBLING THE CHRISTIAN PATRIARCHY
PART 8 PATRIARCHAL ATTACK ON CHRISTIAN LEADER WOMEN

OPENLY REVILING LEADER CHRISTIAN WOMEN

CHARACTER ASSASSINATION: IN PRIVATE, OUT IN PUBLIC,

FROM THE PULPIT, USING VIDEO**
**Historical

“Let’s try to remove the JERK from these KNEE JERK ministry leadership REACTIONS” Dr Taveau D’Arcy

LP is defined by far away reviling accusation, but from the local pulpit, in the pastor’s gatherings, or on social media , well produced many video; be the PRO speaking with another tongue…. or vitriolic AGAINST.

As usually, historical Harlot, Jezebel eagerly watching, usually vociferous fault finding Gentile Levitical Patriarchism, their authoritarian matriarchs, mostly hate leaders of “other movement” FWA persons (Fellowshipper with Authority , Female with Authority)

Realizing that I have already addressed this in Parts 2-3, I will ask again to clarify:

This concerns the top famous women preachers who are continually and openly rebuked by certain men from a particular style of “anti-Book of Acts” ministry—mostly Caucasian, prolific, and rabid senior ministers.

I do not know these individuals, nor do I know their theology, but they have the right to do what God has called them to do. They are wed.

This is about:

Bible principles
Honor and humility
Proper protocol

Furthermore, if these accusers are violating the women’s and men’s marriage covenants, they are overstepping their God-given authority and meddling in Christian marriage vows—a holy covenant.

This is about Christ being represented in ministry with dignity, in media, with fairness, and according to the Bible—not reverting back under the Law.

It is about freedom in Christ and the freedom of choice for each person, including how they choose to represent their voice in public, professional, senior office media ministry.

Singling out individuals in media ministry—as is commonly done—is one of my major pet peeves.

In this case, it involves famous, celebrity-level, powerful, non-biased, non-racist, non-attacking, well-versed women

ASIDE: FOR MORE PAUL AND WOMEN, see Parts 2-3 mainly ,includes submission

FIRST POINT:

1. Biblical Evidence: Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, and First Church Context

A. The Jezebel of Thyatira (Revelation 2:20)

“Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication…”
Some use this verse to claim that women should not teach—but the issue was false teaching and immorality, not gender.
Greek: γυναικα (gynaika) – “woman,” not “wife” (she was not necessarily married).
First Church Context: The name Jezebel is symbolic, linking her to idolatry and manipulation (1 Kings 16:31).
Jesus condemns her false prophecy, not female leadership.

B. Women Prophesying and Teaching in the Early Church

Acts 2:17-18 – “Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…” (fulfilled at Pentecost).
Acts 18:26 – Priscilla and Aquila (a husband-wife team) taught Apollos.
Romans 16:1-2 – Phoebe, a deacon (διάκονος, diakonos), carried Paul’s letter to the Romans.
Romans 16:7 – Junia, an apostle, was highly regarded among the apostles.
1 Corinthians 11:5 – Women were allowed to prophesy in church.

C. Misused Passages: 1 Timothy 2:12 & 1 Corinthians 14:34

1 Timothy 2:12 (“I suffer not a woman to teach”)
- Greek: “authentein” – An unusual word meaning “to dominate, usurp authority”, not just “to teach.”
- Paul was addressing a specific issue in Ephesus (false goddess worship, Artemis influence).
1 Corinthians 14:34 (“Let your women keep silence in the churches”)
- Context: Paul already allowed women to prophesy (1 Cor 11:5).
- Likely refers to disruptive questioning, not an absolute ban on speaking.

2. Historical Role of Women in the Early Church

A. Jesus and Women in Ministry

Jesus affirmed women as disciples (Luke 10:39, Mary sitting at His feet).
He appeared first to Mary Magdalene after the Resurrection, entrusting her to announce it (John 20:17).

B. Women in the First-Century Church

Pliny the Younger (111 AD) – Roman governor recorded that Christianity had female leaders.
Montanist Movement (2nd-3rd Century) – Spirit-filled movement with women prophets and preachers.
Chrysostom (4th Century) – A church father who praised Priscilla for teaching Apollos.
Medieval Christianity – Many female mystics, abbesses, and leaders (Hildegard of Bingen, Julian of Norwich).

3. How Major Denominations View Women in Ministry

Pastor TD says, no matter who does what, I am affiliated with any of these. Many are. So there is us to YOU and US to decide. Remind I value and respect each Person but I do not care to voice or assert this apostolic sr pastor’s opinion OVER WHAT GOD tells you, Pro Freedom in things of Messiah Christ. I will not call YOU OUT if I disagree. While I do list the cessasionists, I am not against as mortal persons. I pro their humility and sincere teaching, On the other hand I to debate or to PROVE ANYTHING, be their against or pro. I am a Christian and want to reflect His Nature (tone, methodology) , for I have my apostolic doctrines, and ‘freedom in Christ,”

Denomination	Women as Pastors?	Women as Preachers/Teachers?	Women as Deacons/Elders?	Key Notes
Catholic Church	❌ No	✔ Yes (nuns, scholars, mystics)	❌ No	Women serve in many roles but cannot be priests.
Eastern Orthodox	❌ No	✔ Yes (teachers, monastics)	❌ No	Women serve as theologians and scholars but cannot be clergy.
Southern Baptist (SBC)	❌ No	✔ Yes (but limited)	❌ No	Rejects female pastors, though some churches dissent.
Independent Baptist	❌ No	❌ No	❌ No	Often the most restrictive toward women in ministry.
Missionary Baptist	❌ No (varies)	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	Some allow female deacons/teachers.
Assemblies of God	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	One of the first Pentecostal groups to ordain women.
Church of God (Cleveland, TN)	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	Officially allows female pastors.
Church of God in Christ (COGIC)	✔ Limited	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	Largest Black Pentecostal church; women are missionaries but only some pastor.
Vineyard Movement	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	Supports women in all leadership roles.
Word of Faith	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	✔ Yes	Many female pastors, though some networks restrict.

Final Analysis: Women Were Always Part of God’s Plan for Ministry

The Bible and history confirm that women led, taught, and preached.
Denominations differ greatly, with Pentecostals/charismatics supporting women more than Baptists or traditional churches.
The opposition to women in ministry is cultural, not biblical.

STEREOTYPES

“THE UNDERMINING QUEEN JEZEBEL” AS WELP APPEAR TO VIEW “EACH AND EVERY CHRISTIAN WOMAN LEADER”

Lets be precise, as the FEMALE LEADER in many MINISTRIES equates to their JEZEBEL: REVELATION 2:20

Taveau want’s to understand and asks Chat GPT AI:

Discuss the Early Church Interpretations of the “Jezebel” in Thyatira (Revelation 2:20) and Modern Legalist Claims Against Women Teaching & Pastoring

1. Early Church Perspectives on Jezebel in Thyatira

The early church fathers interpreted Revelation 2:20 in different ways, but none of them used this passage to universally prohibit women from teaching or leading. Their focus was on false teaching and corruption, not gender.

Irenaeus (c. 130–202 AD) – In Against Heresies (Book 1.26.3), Irenaeus referred to heretical movements led by women but focused on their false doctrines rather than their gender. He condemned the Nicolaitans and Gnostics for sexual immorality, which matches the concerns in Thyatira.
Tertullian (c. 155–220 AD) – In On the Veiling of Virgins (9.1), he was highly critical of women leading in public but mainly targeted Montanist prophetesses, whom he later joined. His bias against women teaching was part of his asceticism rather than sound biblical exegesis.
Hippolytus (c. 170–235 AD) – He emphasized the moral failures in Thyatira rather than a ban on women’s leadership. He saw Jezebel as a symbol of idolatrous corruption rather than a condemnation of female teachers.
Origen (c. 185–253 AD) – He interpreted Jezebel allegorically as a false spiritual influence rather than a literal woman.
Chrysostom (c. 347–407 AD) – Though he preferred male leadership, he praised female teachers like Priscilla (Homilies on Romans 31) and never linked Revelation 2:20 to a universal ban on women teaching.

2. First Church and Biblical Context

The early church had women teachers, deacons, and prophets:

Priscilla taught Apollos (Acts 18:26).
Junia was an apostle (Romans 16:7).
Philip’s daughters were prophetesses (Acts 21:9).
Phoebe was a deacon (Romans 16:1).

Thus, Revelation 2:20 was never used by the First Church to silence women. Instead, it was a warning about false prophets, regardless of gender.

3. Modern Legalists and Their Claims (Taveau reminds: with respectful regards to , about each of them and YOU and ME Paul said “work yu own salvation with fear and trembling” Philippians 2:12 “and to each his/her , their own” However I wish they would lay off the flame throwing on behalf of the Young the Lost, the Searching, Big Cynical and the mammoth numbers of Doubter, the Anti Christian (due to MAMA ) Hence the bottom part on this: First Church apostolic ministry “confronting a person in private”

Today, several high-profile conservative and legalist voices claim that women preaching, teaching, or pastoring is “sinful” and “rebellion against God’s order”:

John MacArthur – In Strange Fire, he strongly opposes women preaching, claiming it’s a sign of apostasy.
Paul Washer – Warns that female pastors represent “the feminization of the church.”
Doug Wilson – Claims women teaching leads to disorder.
Voddie Baucham – Calls female pastors “unbiblical” and likens it to the Jezebel spirit.
Mike Winger – Argues that 1 Timothy 2:12 universally bans women from teaching.
Stephen Anderson – Takes an extreme view, calling female pastors “wicked sinners.”

4. Legalist Errors in Interpretation

These modern critics misinterpret 1 Timothy 2:12 and Revelation 2:20:

Revelation 2:20 condemns a false prophetess, not all women teachers.
Paul’s letters (1 Tim 2:12, 1 Cor 14:34) addressed specific cultural issues, not universal bans.
Jesus never forbade women from speaking, teaching, or leading.

5. Conclusion: The True Meaning of Jezebel in Thyatira

She was a false prophet, not a woman condemned for speaking.
The passage is about tolerating false teaching, not banning women from teaching.
Early church fathers saw it as about corruption, not gender.

Final Thought

Modern legalists take this passage out of context to push a man-made hierarchy, rather than biblical truth. The First Church never silenced women but instead recognized their leadership in Christ.

ZEROING IN ON Revelation 2:20 “The Major Jezebel in Church of Thyatira.

Taveau asks

Did the Church of Thyatira’s Lampstand Leadership Allow Jezebel to Teach?

“Did the pastor at the Church have a female teacher. Please train:

Chat Replies

The Church of Thyatira is mentioned in Revelation 2:18-29, where Jesus rebukes them for tolerating a false prophetess called Jezebel. The key verse is:

🔹 Revelation 2:20 (KJV) – “Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.”

So, did the lampstand leadership of Thyatira allow her to teach? Let’s explore this historically, biblically, and linguistically.

1. Historical Context of Thyatira

📍 Thyatira was a commercial city in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). It was known for its trade guilds, particularly dyeing and textiles (Acts 16:14 mentions Lydia of Thyatira, a seller of purple cloth).

📍 These trade guilds required participation in pagan rituals, including idolatry and temple prostitution in honor of gods like Apollo (the sun god) and Artemis.

📍 Christians in Thyatira faced pressure to conform to these guilds. Many were likely tempted to compromise their faith to keep their businesses and social standing.

2. Who Was Jezebel in Thyatira?

🔸 Not the literal Queen Jezebel (1 Kings 16-21), but a symbolic reference to a woman leading the church into idolatry and sexual sin.
🔸 Greek:Iezabel (Ἰεζάβελ) – A name likely used figuratively to describe a false prophetess, much like the Old Testament Jezebel led Israel into Baal worship.
🔸 Self-Proclaimed Prophetess: She called herself a prophetess but was not sent by God.

💡 Key Historical Insight: The real issue wasn’t that a woman was teaching—it was that she was teaching false doctrine that led to sin.

3. Did the Leadership Permit Jezebel to Teach?

🔹 The phrase “thou sufferest” (Revelation 2:20, KJV)

Greek:Eáō (ἐάω) – Meaning to permit, tolerate, or allow something to continue without resistance.
Context: The leadership did not actively support her but failed to stop her.
Similar Usage: In Matthew 3:15, Jesus tells John to “suffer it to be so now”, meaning to allow something to happen.

🔹 The Lampstand Represents Church Authority

In Revelation 1:20, Jesus explains that the lampstands represent churches.
The leadership of the Thyatira church had a responsibility to guard doctrine but failed to confront Jezebel.

📌 Conclusion:

Thyatira’s leadership did not endorse her teaching but allowed it by not taking action.
This was their sin—tolerating false teaching, not allowing a woman to preach.

4. The Judgment on Thyatira & Jezebel

🔹 Revelation 2:22-23 (KJV):“Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.”

“Adultery” = Spiritual Unfaithfulness (not just physical immorality).
“Great tribulation” = Severe judgment for unrepentance.

🔹 Revelation 2:26 (KJV):“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations.”

Not all in Thyatira followed Jezebel—some remained faithful.

📌 Conclusion:

Jesus rebuked the church leadership for tolerating her, not for putting her in leadership.
The lampstand was at risk of being removed due to their failure to confront false doctrine.

5. What This Means for Women in Leadership Today

📌 Jezebel was condemned for false teaching and idolatry, NOT for being a woman teacher.
📌 There were many faithful women in leadership in the early church (Priscilla, Phoebe, Junia).
📌 False teachers—whether male or female—are rebuked, but godly women leaders are affirmed.

🚨 Bottom Line:
Thyatira’s leadership tolerated false teaching, which was their failure. This passage is not about gender but about doctrine. Women can lead and teach as long as they remain faithful to sound biblical doctrine.

MAJOR POINT TITUS 1:6

3. Titus 1:6 – “The husband of one wife”

Verse (KJV):
“If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.”

Legalist Claim:

Only men can be elders/pastors because Paul says “husband of one wife.”

Context & Greek Analysis:

Greek phrase: mias gynaios aner (lit. “a one-woman man”) – Emphasizes marital faithfulness, not gender.
If this excluded women, it would also exclude unmarried men—yet Paul was single (1 Cor 7:7-8).

Historical Context:

Deborah (Judges 4:4) led Israel as a judge.
Phoebe (Romans 16:1) was a deacon (diakonos), the same word used for male deacons.
Early church history records women as deacons, teachers, and leaders (e.g., Theodora, Olympias, and Macrina).

Conclusion:

Paul’s phrase was about faithfulness in marriage, not banning women from leadership.

4. Genesis 3:16 – “Thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee”

Verse (KJV):
“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”

Legalist Claim:

Women are cursed to be ruled by men.

Context & Hebrew Analysis:

“Desire” (Hebrew: teshuwqah) – Appears in Genesis 4:7, where sin “desires” Cain (to control him). This suggests a power struggle, not romantic desire.
“Rule” (Hebrew: mashal) – Can mean to dominate or oppress.

Historical Context:

This is a curse, not a command.
Jesus restores equality (Galatians 3:28, Ephesians 5:21).
Paul calls husbands to love and serve their wives, not dominate them (Ephesians 5:25).

Conclusion:

This verse describes the fallen condition, not God’s ideal.

5. Judges 4:4 – Deborah’s Leadership as a Judge

Verse (KJV):
“And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.”

Legalist Objection:

Deborah was a one-time exception because men were weak.

Biblical Context:

Deborah was a judge and prophet, two authoritative roles.
Nowhere does Scripture say she led because men were weak.
God chose her to lead militarily and spiritually.

Conclusion:

God appoints leaders based on calling, not gender.

Final Verdict: Do These Scriptures Ban Women from Teaching or Pastoring?

No. All of these passages have been misused by legalists. Women in the Bible prophesied, taught, and led. The New Testament warns against false teachers—male or female—but does not ban women from pastoring or teaching.

POINT: PAUL JESUS, FIRST CHURCH COMPARED

. How Paul, Jesus, and the First Church Compare

Category	Jesus	Paul	First Church	Modern Patriarchy
Women as Teachers	Affirmed women disciples (Luke 10:39).	Affirmed Priscilla, Phoebe, Junia, Lydia.	Women led house churches, deacons, apostles.	Denied, restricted (esp. Fundamentalists, Shepherding).
Women’s Public Speaking	Spoke to Samaritan woman (John 4), who evangelized.	Women prophesied (1 Cor 11:5).	Early Christian writings confirm female preachers.	Legalists silence women (1 Cor 14:34-35 misused).
Female Leadership	Allowed Mary Magdalene to be first to witness the Resurrection.	Called Junia an apostle.	Women served as elders, deacons, and apostles.	Banned in patriarchy movements (Shepherding, IFB, Cessationists).
Authority Structure	Servant leadership (Matthew 20:25-28).	Mutual submission (Eph 5:21).	Shared leadership among men and women.	Rigid hierarchy, men-only authority.

Final Conclusion: Women Are Called by God to Lead

The Bible and early church history do not ban women from teaching, pastoring, or leading. Instead, Jesus, Paul, and the First Church affirmed women in ministry.

“Big Reminder; OF MY OWN SR OFFICE/LIFE OPINIONS ABOUT TEACHING THIS

Analyzing the Scriptures Used by Legalists to Ban Women from Teaching, Preaching, or Pastoring

Modern legalists often cite 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, and other passages to claim that women teaching or leading in the church is a “wicked sin.” However, a historical, linguistic, and First Church analysis shows that these interpretations are flawed.

1. 1 Timothy 2:12 – “I suffer not a woman to teach”

Verse (KJV):
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

Legalist Claim:

Women can never teach men or hold authority in church.

Context & Greek Analysis:

“Suffer” (Greek: epitrepō) – A temporary permission, not a universal command. Paul often uses this verb for specific situations.
“Woman” (Greek: gynē) – Can mean wife (not just any woman). The Greek lacks definite articles, which suggests Paul may be addressing wives, not women in general.
“Teach” (Greek: didaskein) – Teaching doctrine, not general speaking.
“Usurp authority” (Greek: authentein) – A rare verb meaning to dominate or act violently over. If Paul meant regular authority, he would have used exousia.

Historical Context:

Ephesus (where Timothy was) was overrun with Gnostic heresy and Artemis worship, where women priests claimed Eve preexisted Adam and was superior to him. Paul likely addresses this false teaching, not banning all women.
In 1 Timothy 2:11, Paul commands women to learn—which was radical since Jewish women were rarely educated.
If Paul banned women, why did he praise Priscilla (Romans 16:3-5), Junia (Romans 16:7), and Phoebe (Romans 16:1)?

Conclusion:

Paul was correcting false teaching in Ephesus, not universally silencing women.

2. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 – “Let your women keep silence in the churches”

Verse (KJV):
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”

Legalist Claim:

Women must be silent in church.

Context & Greek Analysis:

“Keep silence” (Greek: sigatō) – Used elsewhere for temporary silence, not a permanent rule (cf. 1 Cor 14:28).
“Speak” (Greek: lalein) – Often means chatter or disrupt, not formal teaching.
“Law” (Greek: nomos) – The Old Testament has no such law. This was likely a rabbinic or Corinthian belief Paul was quoting and refuting.

Historical Context:

Corinthian services were chaotic, with multiple people speaking at once. Women (uneducated in that culture) may have been disrupting the service with questions.
In 1 Corinthians 11:5, Paul allows women to prophesy, meaning he did NOT silence all women.
Some scholars (e.g., Gordon Fee) argue 1 Cor 14:34-35 is a later scribal addition, since these verses appear in different places in ancient manuscripts.

Conclusion:

This was about orderly worship, not banning women from speaking or teaching.

ATTACKING MINISTRY LEADER WOMEN …MAIN POINT’

Women in Ministry, Legalistic Accusations, and Biblical Order

The debate over women in ministry is fueled by legalists, fundamentalists, and patriarchal movements who openly revile, accuse, and publicly rebuke women leaders. These attacks disproportionately target Spirit-filled, charismatic female leaders—particularly those who are married with supportive husbands yet still accused of “sin” for pastoring, preaching, or teaching.

This study examines:

Modern Legalists Who Oppose Women in Ministry
Biblical Order: Ephesians 5:21 vs. Ephesians 5:22
Why Attacks Focus on Spirit-Filled Women
History of Women’s Leadership in the Church

1. Modern Legalists Who Oppose Women in Ministry

Groups That Publicly Attack Female Leaders

These groups frequently revile women in ministry, often using social media and YouTube to openly rebuke and falsely accuse female pastors, preachers, and teachers. They claim:

“Women pastoring is a big sin.”
“A woman who teaches men is disobedient to the Bible.”
“A woman preacher is rebellious like Jezebel.”

Some of the most outspoken legalists include:

Cessationists (who deny spiritual gifts and believe women should remain silent).
Christian Patriarchy Movement (which enforces strict male headship).
Shepherding Movement remnants (who demand women submit to male authority).
Hyper-Fundamentalists (who reject women as deacons, elders, or pastors).
Some Baptist circles (especially Independent Fundamental Baptists).

These groups often misuse 1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34, ignoring the historical and cultural context of these verses.

2. Biblical Order: Ephesians 5:21 vs. Ephesians 5:22

Many legalists emphasize Ephesians 5:22 (“Wives, submit to your own husbands”) but ignore Ephesians 5:21 (“Submit to one another in the fear of God”).

Key Observations:

Biblical submission is mutual. Ephesians 5:21 establishes that husbands and wives submit to each other in Christ.
Marriage does not silence a woman’s calling. The Bible never says a wife must abandon ministry to “submit” to her husband.
Most attacked female leaders have supportive husbands. The legalists ignore this because it contradicts their argument.

Many of these critics fail to understand that male and female are equal heirs of grace (1 Peter 3:7) and that God has always used women in leadership roles.

3. Why Attacks Focus on Spirit-Filled Women

A. Most Attacked Women Are Spirit-Filled, Not Dead Religious Leaders

The women who receive the most hatred and open public rebuke are often charismatic, Spirit-filled, or Pentecostal leaders. Examples include:

Joyce Meyer (Word of Faith, charismatic teacher)***
Paula White (Pentecostal/charismatic)***
Beth Moore (formerly SBC, charismatic leanings)***
Christine Caine (charismatic, evangelist/teacher)
Lisa Bevere (charismatic, married to John Bevere)

*** I need to comment on this three for I note that THEY IN PARTICULAR get more accused, repeatedly name called, inhumanly disrespected, targeted, vilified, demeaned and defiled due to their celebrity “(also doctrines or personality)

REASON?? It’s humble, honorable, human PRINCIPLE! FOR THESE ARE “SAVED” STILL HUMAN, CREATED IN GOD’S IMAGE, AND ARE MARRIED, BUT EVEN IF NOT: This is plain old Big Boss Ornery BIAS

B. Reasons Why These Women Are Targeted

They have influence – Legalists attack them because they reach millions.
They are Spirit-filled – Many attackers oppose modern moves of the Holy Spirit.
They teach authority and faith – Patriarchal groups reject women speaking with boldness.
They have supportive husbands – This removes the “rebellion” argument, so critics must attack another way.
They do not fit the “quiet, submissive woman” stereotype – They challenge legalistic control over women.

These same legalists often do not attack women in dead religious systems where female clergy lack Spirit-filled authority. Their issue is not just gender but authority, anointing, and influence.

4. History of Women’s Leadership in the Church

A. Jesus Affirmed Women in Ministry

Women were the first witnesses of the Resurrection (John 20:17).
Mary of Bethany sat at Jesus’ feet like a disciple (Luke 10:39).
The Samaritan woman evangelized her entire town (John 4).

B. The Early Church Had Women Leaders

Junia was an apostle (Romans 16:7).
Priscilla taught Apollos (Acts 18:26).
Phoebe was a deacon (Romans 16:1-2).

C. Women Led in Church History

Medieval convents trained female leaders.
The Holiness and Pentecostal movements restored female preachers.
Denominations like the Assemblies of God, Church of God, and Vineyard fully ordain women.

Final Thoughts: The Attacks Are Unbiblical

Legalists misinterpret Scripture to silence women in ministry.
Ephesians 5:21-22 proves submission is mutual, not one-sided.
The attacks focus on Spirit-filled women because of their influence.
History proves God has always used women in leadership.

The Three Most Attacked Women in Ministry: Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White

In modern Christian media, Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White are among the most publicly rebuked, reviled, and falsely accused female leaders. Legalists, fundamentalists, and patriarchal groups frequently claim that these women are “in big sin” simply because they preach, teach, or lead.

TD wants to fully state “that even if YOU do not believe in them, their ministry style, their look, their office or the money “prosperity” this is not about YOU it’s God and simple Bible displays of “Jesus like HUMILITY and other centered REAL RESPECT” (not in their movement but have been and understand a lot but not am in that, due my own Sr Ministry Cross Body Unity movement type of non celebrity, call”

This study will examine:

Who They Are & Why They Are Targeted
Accusations Against Them vs. Biblical Order
History of Women in Ministry & How They Fit
Why Legalists Target Spirit-Filled Women

1. Who Are Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White?

Beth Moore (Former Southern Baptist, Now Non-Denominational)

Originally part of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), later left due to sexism and authoritarianism.
One of the most influential Bible teachers in the world.
Does not officially pastor a church but is accused of “acting like a pastor” because she teaches men.

Joyce Meyer (Word of Faith, Charismatic, Teacher/Preacher)

Teaches faith, healing, prosperity, and spiritual growth.
Has a worldwide teaching ministry, including TV, books, and conferences.
Accused by legalists of “preaching a false gospel” and “violating biblical gender roles.”

Paula White (Pentecostal, Recently appointed as President Trump’s New Faith Base Office Head)

Pastors City of Destiny Church in Florida.
Leads a major network of churches and ministries.
Publicly attacked for being a female pastor and for her Word of Faith teachings.
As of 2025 Election she is now over President Trumps new Faith office (get off each of you high horses show a bit respect)

2. Accusations Against Them vs. Biblical Order

Common Accusations from Legalists:

“Women should never teach men.” (Misusing 1 Timothy 2:12)
“A woman pastor is in sin.” (Ignoring biblical examples of female leaders)
“Women like Joyce Meyer are Jezebels leading men astray.” (Using “Jezebel” as an insult)
“These women have no male covering.” (Ignoring supportive husbands & male leadership partnerships)

The Biblical Reality:

🔹 Ephesians 5:21 – Mutual submission, not male domination.
🔹 Romans 16:7 – Junia was an apostle.
🔹 Acts 18:26 – Priscilla taught Apollos.
🔹 Micah 6:4 – God sent Moses, Aaron, and Miriam to lead Israel.

Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White have supportive husbands and work alongside men, yet they are still accused of “usurping authority.” This proves that the issue is not submission—it is that legalists refuse to accept any woman in authority

3. History of Women in Ministry & How They Fit

🔸 Early Church: Women like Junia, Phoebe, Priscilla, and Lydia were leaders.
🔸 Medieval Period: Women led convents, taught theology, and evangelized.
🔸 Holiness & Pentecostal Movements (1800s-1900s): Women like Aimee Semple McPherson and Maria Woodworth-Etter led revivals.
🔸 Today: Women in Assemblies of God, Church of God in Christ, and Word of Faith continue leading.

Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White stand in this historical lineage of women whom God called to leadership.

4. Why Legalists Target Spirit-Filled Women

💠 They are not controlled by patriarchal traditions.
💠 They have international influence that threatens male-dominated structures.
💠 They operate in faith, healing, and the Holy Spirit’s power.
💠 They speak with boldness, which challenges legalistic views of “submissive” women.

If the real issue were biblical order, critics would attack women in dead religious systems. Instead, the most attacked women are Spirit-filled, confident, and empowered.

Conclusion

🔥 Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White are not in sin for leading, teaching, or preaching.
🔥 The attacks against them are not biblical but rooted in legalism, fear, and male control.
🔥 History proves that God has always called women to lead, and these women are simply continuing that legacy.

MAKING BIG POINTS ABOUT AUTHORITY, CONTROL, MINISTRY PROTOCOL, MEDIA

Sister Taveau hastens to add:

MY BIG MAIN POINTS: (Bible marriage, included)

Sister Taveau makes her big points:

REMINDER as each one of the 3 persons, are legally married, apparently equally yoked, and residing in peace together in Ephesians 5:21 “wedded couple MUTUALLY SUBMITTED and AGREE on their Focus, Ministry, Choices” AND Ephesians 5:22 (and mature wife is thereby ‘submitted ” and authority chain of command, Head of Home, etc

Each wedded couple, under Pauline Philippians 2:22, has the right to fulfill God’s calling their own way, as they “work out their own salvation.”

Thus, it is not my, your, or anybody else’s business to comment on these (or anyone else’s) marriages from a safe distance—attacking, avoiding, or disregarding Bible First Church Apostolic Protocol as follows:

Married couples in covenant before the Lord are in their own senior office authority within Christ’s Body—just as you or anyone else are.
MYOB (Mind Your Own Business) applies unless a person believes it is their right to address the matter in private, meaning:
- A mature biblical approach,
- Within their immediate godly family,
- Their private, senior ministry leader network,
- Their staff,
- Their board, or
- Their peers in life, media, or ministry.

“BIG WOE” Warning:

This issue is a matter of Apostolic First Church RESPECT, as commanded in:

Matthew 18:15-16 (One-to-one, in private), and
Galatians 6:1 (One-to-one, top leader, also in private and meekly).

Summation:

My position is that a faraway opinion about someone else’s private relationship—without having any direct relationship or respect for:

The woman, or
The Christian Holy Marriage Covenant

— is unsubmitted to God’s whole Bible counsel.

Additionally, this behavior attempts to control others, which is false authority. Each of these mature, experienced, worldwide leaders is in a holy marriage covenant, their own ministry, personal life, and choices, making them OFF LIMITS to both you and me.

I repeat: UNLESS or UNTIL you or I are within their inner circles—as friends, family, ministry, business, board, or peer networks—it is not our place to judge.

Taveau’s Chat GPT about this, to be objective, Bible grounded

She asks:Are These Women in Sin for Preaching?

A Biblical, Linguistic & Historical Breakdown

1. Each of These Women Is Biblically Married & Equally Yoked

🔹 Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White are legally married, in peace, and equally yoked with their husbands.

🔹 Ephesians 5:22 (KJV) – “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.”

Greek:Hypotassō (ὑποτάσσω) – A voluntary yielding within a loving partnership, not forced servitude.
Context: Paul wrote Ephesians 5:21 first – “Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”
Biblical Order: This means mutual submission in a God-honoring marriage, not male dictatorship.

🔹 Philippians 2:22 (KJV) – “But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel.”

Greek:Dokimē (δοκιμή) – Meaning proven, tested, and approved character.
Context:Partnership in the gospel is based on character, not gender.

📌 Conclusion: These women are already in biblical order—married, in peace, and supported by their husbands. Any criticism of their marriages is unbiblical, intrusive, and irrelevant.

2. Why It’s Nobody’s Business to Attack Their Marriage & Ministry

🔹 Marriage is Sacred & Private Before God

Hebrews 13:4 (KJV):“Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled.”
Greek:Timios (τίμιος) – Meaning precious, valued, and holy before God.
Context:Marriage is between the husband, wife, and God. Outsiders have no authority to judge it.

🔹 Matthew 18:15-16 (KJV) – Proper Biblical Confrontation

“Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.”
Greek:Elegchō (ἐλέγχω) – Meaning private correction, not public shaming.
Biblical Order:If a person has a real concern, they must go privately—not post accusations online.

🔹 Galatians 6:1 (KJV) – Restoration, Not Accusation

“Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness.”
Greek:Katartizō (καταρτίζω) – Meaning to repair, to mend, to gently restore.
Biblical Order:Rebuke is only for actual sin, done in private, and with humility.

📌 Conclusion:

It is nobody’s business to interfere in a private marriage covenant unless they are:
- Family members
- Senior ministry leaders within their own network
- Board members or staff
- Peers in their ministry circles

💠 Anyone outside of these categories is biblically out of order.

AGAIN:

PLEASE READ PARTS 2-3 Far more about women, submission and authority (as it’s covered more in depth)

Apostolic Taveau Closes

In closing I say, ‘”feel fully free to think and do as YOU want.” (see the above sign, also PART 9 in this series)

However, I will not be moved either way as I am in authority over and YOU are not OVER ME or UNDER ME as this is CROSS BODY UNITY Ephesians 4, 5;21

Also, this is a SENT seasoned mature office, yet I have no bone to pick anyone who believes different, even the cessastionst. Indeed, I respect them. I truly do.

And it is SIMPLY (not having the right of each persons own opinion and choice on this) Therefore “Bride of Christ “WHO IS ON THE LORD’S SIDE?

YOU TUBE VIEWERS: Compare and contrast with these (their use of energy, time, funds, staff to make many targeting, even tabloid well produced video) SEE BILLY GRAHAM focus, demenor, manners, repsect and most importantly THE DOCTRINES to woo MANY to be saved for ETERNITY….

Contrast with trying to earn famous, viral video to make CASH “A New Form of Prosperity Teaching” my submitted office opinion, I fin and it devoid of Organic First Church “truth, person, methods) and there it WITHOUT HONOR.. and another well off opportunistic Bash for Cash (These Last of Days Top Dog Demas)

IT’S THE OPEN TARGETING AND ANTI THE CHRIST BULLYING, BIBLE THUMPING AND MINISTRY LEVITICAL PARTIARCHISM for Public consumption

Accusing is not humble ” not does it First Church Paul”edify, comfort and strengthen” for it serves mature ETERNAL PURPOSE

Let us saved,calm, respectful human person Value God’s Holy Word, one another and start over again:

MIND OUR OWN YOUR BUSINESS.

….OR…

YOU submit to God’s Bible Word and

Make that private appointment

to Holy Bible one to one, up front, in private, maturely respectfully

CONFRONT.

AND KNOW THIS: Chat GPT AI 2023 my research in my Submission 11 Part series (will reprint SOON)
The First Church was NOT “under” only one person, group of office or one ministry style. It was governed by “consensus”
There was so thing as ‘spiritual ” but these is wedded, family and office ministry Ephesians 5:21 “chain of command, head of household)
There was freedom to decide in Christ; Note Paul’s Phillpians 2:12 (see apostle Paul’s Galatians 1:1-2 own Sent Office)
REPROVING: there were no authoritarians (Big Bosses, Our Way or the Highway styles) in the First Church which was all ‘Ephesians 5:21 “mutually submitted” In offices, elders, lay and marriage .
.Yet, after carnal influences of Roman and Hellenism, infiltrated THEN the rise of control, hierarchy, Roman Patricianism and more.and that is WHEN the “damnable accusation, smother women came in”

And so be it, S
Submitted as Selah for the Body of Christ..means: no hard core authoritarian, controlling leader doctrine!

Sr Minister , Sister Taveau D’Arcy

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